Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Autism spectrum disorder is characterised by persistent deficits in the ability to initiate and to sustain reciprocal social interaction and social communication, and by a range of restricted, repetitive, and inflexible patterns of behaviour, interests or activities that are clearly atypical or excessive for the individual's age and sociocultural context. The onset of the disorder occurs during the developmental period, typically in early childhood, but symptoms may not become fully manifest until later, when social demands exceed limited capacities. Deficits are sufficiently severe to cause impairment in personal, family, social, educational, occupational or other important areas of functioning and are usually a pervasive feature of the individual’s functioning observable in all settings, although they may vary according to social, educational, or other context. Individuals along the spectrum exhibit a full range of intellectual functioning and language abilities.

Essential (Required) Features:

• Persistent deficits in initiating and sustaining social communication and reciprocal social interactions that are outside the expected range of typical functioning given the individual’s age and level of intellectual development. Specific manifestations of these deficits vary according to chronological age, verbal and intellectual ability, and disorder severity. Manifestations may include limitations in the following:
  
• Understanding of, interest in, or inappropriate responses to the verbal or non-verbal social communications of others.
  
• Integration of spoken language with typical complimentary non-verbal cues, such as eye contact, gestures, facial expressions and body language. These non-verbal behaviours may also be reduced in frequency or intensity.
  
• Understanding and use of language in social contexts and ability to initiate and sustain reciprocal social conversations.
  
• Social awareness, leading to behaviour that is not appropriately modulated according to the social context.
  
• Ability to imagine and respond to the feelings, emotional states, and attitudes of others.
  
• Mutual sharing of interests.
  
• Ability to make and sustain typical peer relationships.
  
• Persistent restricted, repetitive, and inflexible patterns of behaviour, interests, or activities that are clearly atypical or excessive for the individual’s age and sociocultural context. These may include:
  
• Lack of adaptability to new experiences and circumstances, with associated distress, that can be evoked by trivial changes to a familiar environment or in response to unanticipated events.
  
• Inflexible adherence to particular routines; for example, these may be geographic such as following familiar routes, or may require precise timing such as mealtimes or transport.
  
• Excessive adherence to rules (e.g., when playing games).
  
• Excessive and persistent ritualized patterns of behaviour (e.g., preoccupation with lining up or sorting objects in a particular way) that serve no apparent external purpose.
  
• Repetitive and stereotyped motor movements, such as whole body movements (e.g., rocking), atypical gait (e.g., walking on tiptoes), unusual hand or finger movements and posturing. These behaviours are particularly common during early childhood.
  
• Persistent preoccupation with one or more special interests, parts of objects, or specific types of stimuli (including media) or an unusually strong attachment to particular objects (excluding typical comforters).
  
• Lifelong excessive and persistent hypersensitivity or hyposensitivity to sensory stimuli or unusual interest in a sensory stimulus, which may include actual or anticipated sounds, light, textures (especially clothing and food), odors and tastes, heat, cold, or pain.
  
• The onset of the disorder occurs during the developmental period, typically in early childhood, but characteristic symptoms may not become fully manifest until later, when social demands exceed limited capacities.
  
• The symptoms result in significant impairment in personal, family, social, educational, occupational or other important areas of functioning. Some individuals with Autism Spectrum Disorder are able to function adequately in many contexts through exceptional effort, such that their deficits may not be apparent to others. A diagnosis of Autism Spectrum Disorder is still appropriate in such cases.

Folx, I know they have videos insisting otherwise but I'm starting to get a little skeptical about if these women actually are autistic or not and if their videos actually are about autism versus an attempt to construct an "autistic" personality.

Why is it always white women? they literally are the plague of this planet.

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

Anyway look at this stupid tweet:

So quirky!

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/profound-autism-and-anti-neurodiversity-how-advocates-for-autism-are-pushing-against-the-neurodiversity-movement-and-shutting-down-self-advocacy.1287162/#post-144631134

Please don't do this "enlightened centrist" bullshit.

You can never meet in the middle
Only extremes matter

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/graham-linehan-arrested-in-uk-on-suspicion-of-inciting-violence-after-tweets-on-trans-issues.1286463/

Kneecap gets investigated for literally supporting terrorists = "FASCISM IN THE UK!"

Linehan gets arrested for tweets = "This is great"

[DavidCroquet]

I like how a mass of internet nolifers literally colonized autism so badly that it in 2025 there’s now a discussion where everyone has to be reminded that real autism exists.

[Besticus Maximus]

Worth remembering of course that linehan is Irish not British

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-its-wrong-for-fans-to-attack-people-for-criticising-their-favourite-works.1287378/

Before we start, let's get out of the way what this thread isn't about:



We aren't talking about people who go after art because it's "woke" or because it include women, black people, gays etc. That isn't critique of art, that's just hate and bigotry and should be called out. 
This thread is not about people who attack artists and creators because they didn't like their art, obviously that's wrong. 
This thread is also not about people who dismiss or attack works because of their own snobbery, who hate say FPS games because they think it's beneath them, again that isn't fair critique because it's not actually based on the art. 
And lastly, this thread isn't about people people who criticize works they don't actually play and base them solely on assumption, again that isn't fair critique and should be called out. 
Also, their is also nothing correct factual errors (and not a subjective opinion isn't a factual error). Trying to avoid the spread of misinformation is a good thing. 
And also, if you say go into a thread specifically labelled a "hype check" thread and start slagging of the game, you probably well aware of what you're doing in rattling the hornet's nest and kind of deserve to be called out. 


For the past day I've been thinking about this, it annoys me online when fans attack others for criticising their favourite works, often treating said criticism very personally and often just creating more hostility and toxicity in the process.



*Also this is going to be a long OP and it quite rambely, sorry for that, hear is a picture of a cute Warthogs to make up for that (:


One of the most frustrating aspects of this is the assumption that the person doing the critique, especially when its harsh critique, does not like the work or the series. In many cases thought this is not true and the opposite; they love the work and that's why their harsh in their critique because they want the work to be better. I wouldn't push for fighting games to be less objectifying of their women characters if I didn't love Fighting games, I wouldn't be so harsh with my critiques of games like Baldur's Gate 3 if it wasn't a game I wanted to enjoy but couldn't.



That's generally the thing, in most cases, something being disappointing is often worse then just being bad because the latter has more emotional connection. If they made another Soul Calibur game, one of my favourite video game series and it was bad for me, lacked any story or single player modes, none of my favs were in it, outdated visuals, poor music, yeah I'm going to criticize it no matter my love for the series; fanboys screaming, "Just move on!" is not going to change that and just comes across a gatekeeping.



Also, just because a lay person may not be able to properly articulate or isn't correct in their use of technical words (see the "the Graphics were bad" when they really mean the visuals and the art design) why something felt off or didn't work doesn't mean the criticism is inherently invalid. This was something I remember being taught during my BA in Film and TV during a lecture all about critique of your work; most people don't know how films are made, you shouldn't expect them to, but they do know when something was bad for them, even if they don't know how to properly express it. Like most people don't know how a sausage (Meat or Vege) is made but can tell if something is wrong or bad with that sausage, even if they don't know or how to express that outside of simple terms like "bad". While people should 100% educate themselves, I don't think it's fair to expect everyone to know exactly why a game exactly feels unfun to play. "This feels bad" is valid, they may not understand why it feels bad, just they do.



Critique of a work is not a critique on the people who enjoy it. I don't like westerns, I don't like farming sims, I don't like Ant-Man; I have many reasons why for that but that doesn't mean I don't like people who like westerns, farming sims and Ant-Man, that would be very silly. I may not get it, I may not agree, but in the end of the day it's all subjective and we can enjoy what we want. My friends and I discuss stuff and disagree with each other but we're still friends, being different makes us human. It's why it annoys me when people online do take critique of their favourite works personally and lash out, again often at people who do enjoy the work. This is something you see happen to reviewers and critics, often getting attacked and abused for their critiques (often for games the fans haven't actually played, their just hyped for and hate seeing a review that "ruins" their hype) for their reviews not being "perfect" even if they enjoyed the game overall; I've seen people hold decade long grudges for reviewers because they gave a game they liked a 7/10 because they took it as a personal slight.



And honestly? This is absurd, that reviewer doesn't know you, I don't know you, we're just expressing our opinions, it's not personal because we don't know you and likely don't want to know you if you start screaming at us. If the person is attack the devs or going after you for liking something, then yes call them out. But if their just expressing why they disliked a game, that isn't wrong, means they don't like you or think you're wrong for liking it.



Which leads me to my next point, your opinion is not objective truth, your tastes aren't objective and you're superior/smarter to others based on your tastes. Someone critiquing something you like doesn't make them wrong, even if their the minority opinion, that critique is still valid (and the reverse is also true, someone praising a work not liked by many is still valid). It's not right (and honestly disgusting) to make judgement calls based on the media they like or insinuating their not smart for liking certain media, often because these standards are often based on nothing more then snobbery, elitism and lets be honest, sexism (their is a reason why it's so often game genres more popular in general with women get dismissed as "casual" games). This is again something I see so often directed at reviewers and critics, fans calling for "objective" reviews when really what they mean is that they want reviews that echo back their opinions.



And to be blunt, you simply can't make those call on people's characters based on what they like, Some of the smartest people I know love professional wrestling, something I often see treated as "low art", same with superhero fiction, shipping etc. Way too often have I seen people's intelligence questioned because of the games they like, that their less sophisticated if they like mobile games or Online FPS games, their less "hardcore" if they like games like Animal Crossing (which fucker, have you SEEN how dedicated and hardcore some Animal Crossing fans are!?), you're a casual if you like story and single player games in fighting games etc. Liking certain media doesn't make you smarter; a smart person doesn't need to prove their smart, they just are.



You can also like a work while also objecting and caring about something; their are many women who love Bayonetta, Stellar Blade, Nier, Dead or Alive etc who also care strongly about women's right and objectification in games, sometimes liking these game in-spite of it or finding something about them that they want to see more of; it would horrible and wrong to insinuate they hate women or don't care about sexualization and objectification (and I regret doing this in the past).



You also cannot dictate to people what is valid and invalid criticism because you don't care about it or you think it's a minor issue. A minor issue for you can be a big and important one for someone else and even if they are minor issue, a minor nagging issue can taint a work for people. I often find social issues often get shit on this way, often dismissed as minor issues such as objectification of women for example (again, something you often see reviewers get attacked for bringing up).



And lastly, attacking people is simply just wrong, you aren't doing the devs a favour by harassing a reviewer or another fan, you aren't creating a positive environment by pushing out people who love this work because they had issues with the latest game; you're just a toxic arsehole. This feels especially disgusting when certain fans weaponize real and serious harassment of the devs to go after people who criticise the work, accusing them of supporting the harassers or using it to make people stop saying anything they don't want to hear; I'm sorry but that's disgusting (and thankfully not something I've seen often on ERA) and comes across and not actually giving damn about dev abuse. You don't create positivity by attacking others and creating more toxicity, you do it by adding more positivity like the time Animal Crossing and Doom fans united to give use the Doomguy/Isabelle memes.



... I have no idea how to actually conclude this ramble so hear is a picture of a Cheetah:

SHUT
THE
FUCK
UP

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/vgc-heres-the-first-35-minutes-of-star-wars-outlaws-on-nintendo-switch-2-up-open-world-footage-as-well.1287351

Why is there so much discussion about a mid game coming to the switch 2

[Besticus Maximus]

Echoes has put more effort into that stupid post than I have in work all day

Julian Crawford:

The ideology of video games who are violently toxic towards developers who they regard as subjects to their whim but stay silent in moments of actual degradation of humans is telling of their disregard for their fellow humans and their lack of spine and empathy. In these fascist times, nothing is more useful to the authorities than this same attitude towards the world and towards people.

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-its-wrong-for-fans-to-attack-people-for-criticising-their-favourite-works.1287378/

Before we start, let's get out of the way what this thread isn't about:



We aren't talking about people who go after art because it's "woke" or because it include women, black people, gays etc. That isn't critique of art, that's just hate and bigotry and should be called out. 
This thread is not about people who attack artists and creators because they didn't like their art, obviously that's wrong. 
This thread is also not about people who dismiss or attack works because of their own snobbery, who hate say FPS games because they think it's beneath them, again that isn't fair critique because it's not actually based on the art. 
And lastly, this thread isn't about people people who criticize works they don't actually play and base them solely on assumption, again that isn't fair critique and should be called out. 
Also, their is also nothing correct factual errors (and not a subjective opinion isn't a factual error). Trying to avoid the spread of misinformation is a good thing. 
And also, if you say go into a thread specifically labelled a "hype check" thread and start slagging of the game, you probably well aware of what you're doing in rattling the hornet's nest and kind of deserve to be called out. 


For the past day I've been thinking about this, it annoys me online when fans attack others for criticising their favourite works, often treating said criticism very personally and often just creating more hostility and toxicity in the process.



*Also this is going to be a long OP and it quite rambely, sorry for that, hear is a picture of a cute Warthogs to make up for that (:


One of the most frustrating aspects of this is the assumption that the person doing the critique, especially when its harsh critique, does not like the work or the series. In many cases thought this is not true and the opposite; they love the work and that's why their harsh in their critique because they want the work to be better. I wouldn't push for fighting games to be less objectifying of their women characters if I didn't love Fighting games, I wouldn't be so harsh with my critiques of games like Baldur's Gate 3 if it wasn't a game I wanted to enjoy but couldn't.



That's generally the thing, in most cases, something being disappointing is often worse then just being bad because the latter has more emotional connection. If they made another Soul Calibur game, one of my favourite video game series and it was bad for me, lacked any story or single player modes, none of my favs were in it, outdated visuals, poor music, yeah I'm going to criticize it no matter my love for the series; fanboys screaming, "Just move on!" is not going to change that and just comes across a gatekeeping.



Also, just because a lay person may not be able to properly articulate or isn't correct in their use of technical words (see the "the Graphics were bad" when they really mean the visuals and the art design) why something felt off or didn't work doesn't mean the criticism is inherently invalid. This was something I remember being taught during my BA in Film and TV during a lecture all about critique of your work; most people don't know how films are made, you shouldn't expect them to, but they do know when something was bad for them, even if they don't know how to properly express it. Like most people don't know how a sausage (Meat or Vege) is made but can tell if something is wrong or bad with that sausage, even if they don't know or how to express that outside of simple terms like "bad". While people should 100% educate themselves, I don't think it's fair to expect everyone to know exactly why a game exactly feels unfun to play. "This feels bad" is valid, they may not understand why it feels bad, just they do.



Critique of a work is not a critique on the people who enjoy it. I don't like westerns, I don't like farming sims, I don't like Ant-Man; I have many reasons why for that but that doesn't mean I don't like people who like westerns, farming sims and Ant-Man, that would be very silly. I may not get it, I may not agree, but in the end of the day it's all subjective and we can enjoy what we want. My friends and I discuss stuff and disagree with each other but we're still friends, being different makes us human. It's why it annoys me when people online do take critique of their favourite works personally and lash out, again often at people who do enjoy the work. This is something you see happen to reviewers and critics, often getting attacked and abused for their critiques (often for games the fans haven't actually played, their just hyped for and hate seeing a review that "ruins" their hype) for their reviews not being "perfect" even if they enjoyed the game overall; I've seen people hold decade long grudges for reviewers because they gave a game they liked a 7/10 because they took it as a personal slight.



And honestly? This is absurd, that reviewer doesn't know you, I don't know you, we're just expressing our opinions, it's not personal because we don't know you and likely don't want to know you if you start screaming at us. If the person is attack the devs or going after you for liking something, then yes call them out. But if their just expressing why they disliked a game, that isn't wrong, means they don't like you or think you're wrong for liking it.



Which leads me to my next point, your opinion is not objective truth, your tastes aren't objective and you're superior/smarter to others based on your tastes. Someone critiquing something you like doesn't make them wrong, even if their the minority opinion, that critique is still valid (and the reverse is also true, someone praising a work not liked by many is still valid). It's not right (and honestly disgusting) to make judgement calls based on the media they like or insinuating their not smart for liking certain media, often because these standards are often based on nothing more then snobbery, elitism and lets be honest, sexism (their is a reason why it's so often game genres more popular in general with women get dismissed as "casual" games). This is again something I see so often directed at reviewers and critics, fans calling for "objective" reviews when really what they mean is that they want reviews that echo back their opinions.



And to be blunt, you simply can't make those call on people's characters based on what they like, Some of the smartest people I know love professional wrestling, something I often see treated as "low art", same with superhero fiction, shipping etc. Way too often have I seen people's intelligence questioned because of the games they like, that their less sophisticated if they like mobile games or Online FPS games, their less "hardcore" if they like games like Animal Crossing (which fucker, have you SEEN how dedicated and hardcore some Animal Crossing fans are!?), you're a casual if you like story and single player games in fighting games etc. Liking certain media doesn't make you smarter; a smart person doesn't need to prove their smart, they just are.



You can also like a work while also objecting and caring about something; their are many women who love Bayonetta, Stellar Blade, Nier, Dead or Alive etc who also care strongly about women's right and objectification in games, sometimes liking these game in-spite of it or finding something about them that they want to see more of; it would horrible and wrong to insinuate they hate women or don't care about sexualization and objectification (and I regret doing this in the past).



You also cannot dictate to people what is valid and invalid criticism because you don't care about it or you think it's a minor issue. A minor issue for you can be a big and important one for someone else and even if they are minor issue, a minor nagging issue can taint a work for people. I often find social issues often get shit on this way, often dismissed as minor issues such as objectification of women for example (again, something you often see reviewers get attacked for bringing up).



And lastly, attacking people is simply just wrong, you aren't doing the devs a favour by harassing a reviewer or another fan, you aren't creating a positive environment by pushing out people who love this work because they had issues with the latest game; you're just a toxic arsehole. This feels especially disgusting when certain fans weaponize real and serious harassment of the devs to go after people who criticise the work, accusing them of supporting the harassers or using it to make people stop saying anything they don't want to hear; I'm sorry but that's disgusting (and thankfully not something I've seen often on ERA) and comes across and not actually giving damn about dev abuse. You don't create positivity by attacking others and creating more toxicity, you do it by adding more positivity like the time Animal Crossing and Doom fans united to give use the Doomguy/Isabelle memes.



... I have no idea how to actually conclude this ramble so hear is a picture of a Cheetah:

SHUT
THE
FUCK
UP

Ctrl + F:
“Cammy”
“WLW”
“Lesbian”

No results found.

Not reading any of this shit. Try again Echoes

[killamajig]

I just stick to diazepam, it's my silver bullet for anxiety-related things

So Kunty is eating Valium with all those bottles of wine they down every time Harry Potter gets mentioned.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-pill-that-women-are-taking-for-everything-from-speeches-to-first-dates.1287432/#post-144638631

[Besticus Maximus]

Fucking around with Valium like it’s a beta blocker is MENTAL

[BIONIC]

*Reads the word diazepam, immediately thinks of:*

[Besticus Maximus]

#48
These accounts of people taking prescription drugs here and there for just whatever reason really freaks me out.

 Dismissing concerns

[Ethan]

#48
These accounts of people taking prescription drugs here and there for just whatever reason really freaks me out.

 Dismissing concerns

Oh yeah, beta blockers are pretty common in the classical music community

The title is very odd to me as propranolol is known to help with social anxiety. I have used it before having to give a presentation in front of a large audience, it worked.

I occasionally take them for steadying my arm for precision work (micro pipette). They definitely work for a nervous temperament.

I used to take beta blockers prior to work presentations. Absolutely helped with the physical signs of nerves (sweats, trembling, etc.) which in effect made me feel far more confident. Not a wonder drug but very helpful. I'd recommend personally.

My naive self discovering that pretty much everyone's doing their work on PEDs.

[Snoopy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-its-wrong-for-fans-to-attack-people-for-criticising-their-favourite-works.1287378/

Before we start, let's get out of the way what this thread isn't about:



We aren't talking about people who go after art because it's "woke" or because it include women, black people, gays etc. That isn't critique of art, that's just hate and bigotry and should be called out. 
This thread is not about people who attack artists and creators because they didn't like their art, obviously that's wrong. 
This thread is also not about people who dismiss or attack works because of their own snobbery, who hate say FPS games because they think it's beneath them, again that isn't fair critique because it's not actually based on the art. 
And lastly, this thread isn't about people people who criticize works they don't actually play and base them solely on assumption, again that isn't fair critique and should be called out. 
Also, their is also nothing correct factual errors (and not a subjective opinion isn't a factual error). Trying to avoid the spread of misinformation is a good thing. 
And also, if you say go into a thread specifically labelled a "hype check" thread and start slagging of the game, you probably well aware of what you're doing in rattling the hornet's nest and kind of deserve to be called out. 


For the past day I've been thinking about this, it annoys me online when fans attack others for criticising their favourite works, often treating said criticism very personally and often just creating more hostility and toxicity in the process.



*Also this is going to be a long OP and it quite rambely, sorry for that, hear is a picture of a cute Warthogs to make up for that (:


One of the most frustrating aspects of this is the assumption that the person doing the critique, especially when its harsh critique, does not like the work or the series. In many cases thought this is not true and the opposite; they love the work and that's why their harsh in their critique because they want the work to be better. I wouldn't push for fighting games to be less objectifying of their women characters if I didn't love Fighting games, I wouldn't be so harsh with my critiques of games like Baldur's Gate 3 if it wasn't a game I wanted to enjoy but couldn't.



That's generally the thing, in most cases, something being disappointing is often worse then just being bad because the latter has more emotional connection. If they made another Soul Calibur game, one of my favourite video game series and it was bad for me, lacked any story or single player modes, none of my favs were in it, outdated visuals, poor music, yeah I'm going to criticize it no matter my love for the series; fanboys screaming, "Just move on!" is not going to change that and just comes across a gatekeeping.



Also, just because a lay person may not be able to properly articulate or isn't correct in their use of technical words (see the "the Graphics were bad" when they really mean the visuals and the art design) why something felt off or didn't work doesn't mean the criticism is inherently invalid. This was something I remember being taught during my BA in Film and TV during a lecture all about critique of your work; most people don't know how films are made, you shouldn't expect them to, but they do know when something was bad for them, even if they don't know how to properly express it. Like most people don't know how a sausage (Meat or Vege) is made but can tell if something is wrong or bad with that sausage, even if they don't know or how to express that outside of simple terms like "bad". While people should 100% educate themselves, I don't think it's fair to expect everyone to know exactly why a game exactly feels unfun to play. "This feels bad" is valid, they may not understand why it feels bad, just they do.



Critique of a work is not a critique on the people who enjoy it. I don't like westerns, I don't like farming sims, I don't like Ant-Man; I have many reasons why for that but that doesn't mean I don't like people who like westerns, farming sims and Ant-Man, that would be very silly. I may not get it, I may not agree, but in the end of the day it's all subjective and we can enjoy what we want. My friends and I discuss stuff and disagree with each other but we're still friends, being different makes us human. It's why it annoys me when people online do take critique of their favourite works personally and lash out, again often at people who do enjoy the work. This is something you see happen to reviewers and critics, often getting attacked and abused for their critiques (often for games the fans haven't actually played, their just hyped for and hate seeing a review that "ruins" their hype) for their reviews not being "perfect" even if they enjoyed the game overall; I've seen people hold decade long grudges for reviewers because they gave a game they liked a 7/10 because they took it as a personal slight.



And honestly? This is absurd, that reviewer doesn't know you, I don't know you, we're just expressing our opinions, it's not personal because we don't know you and likely don't want to know you if you start screaming at us. If the person is attack the devs or going after you for liking something, then yes call them out. But if their just expressing why they disliked a game, that isn't wrong, means they don't like you or think you're wrong for liking it.



Which leads me to my next point, your opinion is not objective truth, your tastes aren't objective and you're superior/smarter to others based on your tastes. Someone critiquing something you like doesn't make them wrong, even if their the minority opinion, that critique is still valid (and the reverse is also true, someone praising a work not liked by many is still valid). It's not right (and honestly disgusting) to make judgement calls based on the media they like or insinuating their not smart for liking certain media, often because these standards are often based on nothing more then snobbery, elitism and lets be honest, sexism (their is a reason why it's so often game genres more popular in general with women get dismissed as "casual" games). This is again something I see so often directed at reviewers and critics, fans calling for "objective" reviews when really what they mean is that they want reviews that echo back their opinions.



And to be blunt, you simply can't make those call on people's characters based on what they like, Some of the smartest people I know love professional wrestling, something I often see treated as "low art", same with superhero fiction, shipping etc. Way too often have I seen people's intelligence questioned because of the games they like, that their less sophisticated if they like mobile games or Online FPS games, their less "hardcore" if they like games like Animal Crossing (which fucker, have you SEEN how dedicated and hardcore some Animal Crossing fans are!?), you're a casual if you like story and single player games in fighting games etc. Liking certain media doesn't make you smarter; a smart person doesn't need to prove their smart, they just are.



You can also like a work while also objecting and caring about something; their are many women who love Bayonetta, Stellar Blade, Nier, Dead or Alive etc who also care strongly about women's right and objectification in games, sometimes liking these game in-spite of it or finding something about them that they want to see more of; it would horrible and wrong to insinuate they hate women or don't care about sexualization and objectification (and I regret doing this in the past).



You also cannot dictate to people what is valid and invalid criticism because you don't care about it or you think it's a minor issue. A minor issue for you can be a big and important one for someone else and even if they are minor issue, a minor nagging issue can taint a work for people. I often find social issues often get shit on this way, often dismissed as minor issues such as objectification of women for example (again, something you often see reviewers get attacked for bringing up).



And lastly, attacking people is simply just wrong, you aren't doing the devs a favour by harassing a reviewer or another fan, you aren't creating a positive environment by pushing out people who love this work because they had issues with the latest game; you're just a toxic arsehole. This feels especially disgusting when certain fans weaponize real and serious harassment of the devs to go after people who criticise the work, accusing them of supporting the harassers or using it to make people stop saying anything they don't want to hear; I'm sorry but that's disgusting (and thankfully not something I've seen often on ERA) and comes across and not actually giving damn about dev abuse. You don't create positivity by attacking others and creating more toxicity, you do it by adding more positivity like the time Animal Crossing and Doom fans united to give use the Doomguy/Isabelle memes.



... I have no idea how to actually conclude this ramble so hear is a picture of a Cheetah:

SHUT
THE
FUCK
UP

All that effort. Only 5 replies.

[kaleidoscopium]

I'd be so down for this, but it is so hard to feel enthused for Radiohead these days considering Thom and Jonny's tone-deafness on Palestine and Thom's half-baked statement on it.

I know Ed and Phil have spoken out, but even then, it's still hard to feel enthused. This would not have been the case ten years ago.

(And I realise the irony in saying that as someone with an avatar of the Amnesiac cover)

They're full on zionists. The only reason we got that half baked statement at all is to keep up a semblance of appearances because they know genocide probably doesn't sit all that well with the kind of the people that used to enjoy their music.

fuck 'em, they can go tour Israel and never come back for all I care.

I saw them back in 2016 and I doubt I'll bother seeing them again, unfortunately. It was bad enough when they played back in Israel in 2017, but the statements Thom and Jonny put out recently were fucking pathetic.

Given Thom's statements on Palestine, I think I'm done with Radiohead. And they were my favorite band. I don't want to give them any more of my money.

Saw them in 2017, so I can at least say I did.

Yeahhh. Used to be obsessed with Radiohead; was on their fan forums refreshing threads for any news of a new album when they'd tease one and refreshing for news about tour dates in Texas. Now I've deleted 99% of their discography from my library since their songs just remind me of how embarrassingly disappointing they are when it comes to the genocide.

Pretty sure they are on the BDS boycott list.

surprised they're not just solely touring israel

But, once some pushback arrives...

"I think Netanyahu and his crew of extremists are totally out of control and need to be stopped, and that the international community should put all the pressure it can on them to cease," the musician wrote. "Their excuse of self-defence has long since worn thin and has been replaced by a transparent desire to take control of Gaza and the West Bank permanently." Additionally, Yorke called the blockade of aid to Gaza "horrific."

How is this half baked. Im pro Palestine and very left leaning.

But i wont join the hateboners for Thom Yorke.

I don't know how you can know anything about Thom Yorke and think he is a Zionist. He's always been quite leftist. It gets complicated for him because of Jonny and his Israel connections, but no way he supports what Israel does.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/radiohead-are-teasing-their-first-gigs-across-europe-for-seven-years.1287228/page-2#post-144643707

The anti headers are nowhere to be seen... 

[Switters]

I usually pop a couple before I hop on public transit and take a massive shit in my sweltering fursuit.

[nachobro]

very wise

[BIONIC]

I usually pop a couple before I hop on public transit and take a massive shit in my sweltering fursuit.

Pics?

[Boredfrom]

I like how a mass of internet nolifers literally colonized autism so badly that it in 2025 there’s now a discussion where everyone has to be reminded that real autism exists.

You mean that zigzagging between “autism gives you superpowers” or “a quirk that makes you say stupid shit in public” is not a recipe for acceptance?

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-its-wrong-for-fans-to-attack-people-for-criticising-their-favourite-works.1287378/

Before we start, let's get out of the way what this thread isn't about:



We aren't talking about people who go after art because it's "woke" or because it include women, black people, gays etc. That isn't critique of art, that's just hate and bigotry and should be called out. 
This thread is not about people who attack artists and creators because they didn't like their art, obviously that's wrong. 
This thread is also not about people who dismiss or attack works because of their own snobbery, who hate say FPS games because they think it's beneath them, again that isn't fair critique because it's not actually based on the art. 
And lastly, this thread isn't about people people who criticize works they don't actually play and base them solely on assumption, again that isn't fair critique and should be called out. 
Also, their is also nothing correct factual errors (and not a subjective opinion isn't a factual error). Trying to avoid the spread of misinformation is a good thing. 
And also, if you say go into a thread specifically labelled a "hype check" thread and start slagging of the game, you probably well aware of what you're doing in rattling the hornet's nest and kind of deserve to be called out. 


For the past day I've been thinking about this, it annoys me online when fans attack others for criticising their favourite works, often treating said criticism very personally and often just creating more hostility and toxicity in the process.



*Also this is going to be a long OP and it quite rambely, sorry for that, hear is a picture of a cute Warthogs to make up for that (:


One of the most frustrating aspects of this is the assumption that the person doing the critique, especially when its harsh critique, does not like the work or the series. In many cases thought this is not true and the opposite; they love the work and that's why their harsh in their critique because they want the work to be better. I wouldn't push for fighting games to be less objectifying of their women characters if I didn't love Fighting games, I wouldn't be so harsh with my critiques of games like Baldur's Gate 3 if it wasn't a game I wanted to enjoy but couldn't.



That's generally the thing, in most cases, something being disappointing is often worse then just being bad because the latter has more emotional connection. If they made another Soul Calibur game, one of my favourite video game series and it was bad for me, lacked any story or single player modes, none of my favs were in it, outdated visuals, poor music, yeah I'm going to criticize it no matter my love for the series; fanboys screaming, "Just move on!" is not going to change that and just comes across a gatekeeping.



Also, just because a lay person may not be able to properly articulate or isn't correct in their use of technical words (see the "the Graphics were bad" when they really mean the visuals and the art design) why something felt off or didn't work doesn't mean the criticism is inherently invalid. This was something I remember being taught during my BA in Film and TV during a lecture all about critique of your work; most people don't know how films are made, you shouldn't expect them to, but they do know when something was bad for them, even if they don't know how to properly express it. Like most people don't know how a sausage (Meat or Vege) is made but can tell if something is wrong or bad with that sausage, even if they don't know or how to express that outside of simple terms like "bad". While people should 100% educate themselves, I don't think it's fair to expect everyone to know exactly why a game exactly feels unfun to play. "This feels bad" is valid, they may not understand why it feels bad, just they do.



Critique of a work is not a critique on the people who enjoy it. I don't like westerns, I don't like farming sims, I don't like Ant-Man; I have many reasons why for that but that doesn't mean I don't like people who like westerns, farming sims and Ant-Man, that would be very silly. I may not get it, I may not agree, but in the end of the day it's all subjective and we can enjoy what we want. My friends and I discuss stuff and disagree with each other but we're still friends, being different makes us human. It's why it annoys me when people online do take critique of their favourite works personally and lash out, again often at people who do enjoy the work. This is something you see happen to reviewers and critics, often getting attacked and abused for their critiques (often for games the fans haven't actually played, their just hyped for and hate seeing a review that "ruins" their hype) for their reviews not being "perfect" even if they enjoyed the game overall; I've seen people hold decade long grudges for reviewers because they gave a game they liked a 7/10 because they took it as a personal slight.



And honestly? This is absurd, that reviewer doesn't know you, I don't know you, we're just expressing our opinions, it's not personal because we don't know you and likely don't want to know you if you start screaming at us. If the person is attack the devs or going after you for liking something, then yes call them out. But if their just expressing why they disliked a game, that isn't wrong, means they don't like you or think you're wrong for liking it.



Which leads me to my next point, your opinion is not objective truth, your tastes aren't objective and you're superior/smarter to others based on your tastes. Someone critiquing something you like doesn't make them wrong, even if their the minority opinion, that critique is still valid (and the reverse is also true, someone praising a work not liked by many is still valid). It's not right (and honestly disgusting) to make judgement calls based on the media they like or insinuating their not smart for liking certain media, often because these standards are often based on nothing more then snobbery, elitism and lets be honest, sexism (their is a reason why it's so often game genres more popular in general with women get dismissed as "casual" games). This is again something I see so often directed at reviewers and critics, fans calling for "objective" reviews when really what they mean is that they want reviews that echo back their opinions.



And to be blunt, you simply can't make those call on people's characters based on what they like, Some of the smartest people I know love professional wrestling, something I often see treated as "low art", same with superhero fiction, shipping etc. Way too often have I seen people's intelligence questioned because of the games they like, that their less sophisticated if they like mobile games or Online FPS games, their less "hardcore" if they like games like Animal Crossing (which fucker, have you SEEN how dedicated and hardcore some Animal Crossing fans are!?), you're a casual if you like story and single player games in fighting games etc. Liking certain media doesn't make you smarter; a smart person doesn't need to prove their smart, they just are.



You can also like a work while also objecting and caring about something; their are many women who love Bayonetta, Stellar Blade, Nier, Dead or Alive etc who also care strongly about women's right and objectification in games, sometimes liking these game in-spite of it or finding something about them that they want to see more of; it would horrible and wrong to insinuate they hate women or don't care about sexualization and objectification (and I regret doing this in the past).



You also cannot dictate to people what is valid and invalid criticism because you don't care about it or you think it's a minor issue. A minor issue for you can be a big and important one for someone else and even if they are minor issue, a minor nagging issue can taint a work for people. I often find social issues often get shit on this way, often dismissed as minor issues such as objectification of women for example (again, something you often see reviewers get attacked for bringing up).



And lastly, attacking people is simply just wrong, you aren't doing the devs a favour by harassing a reviewer or another fan, you aren't creating a positive environment by pushing out people who love this work because they had issues with the latest game; you're just a toxic arsehole. This feels especially disgusting when certain fans weaponize real and serious harassment of the devs to go after people who criticise the work, accusing them of supporting the harassers or using it to make people stop saying anything they don't want to hear; I'm sorry but that's disgusting (and thankfully not something I've seen often on ERA) and comes across and not actually giving damn about dev abuse. You don't create positivity by attacking others and creating more toxicity, you do it by adding more positivity like the time Animal Crossing and Doom fans united to give use the Doomguy/Isabelle memes.



... I have no idea how to actually conclude this ramble so hear is a picture of a Cheetah:

SHUT
THE
FUCK
UP

All that effort. Only 5 replies.

5 too many.

[HaughtyFrank]

Why is it always white women? they literally are the plague of this planet.

It surprises me a bit that there was never any bigger reckoning coming from that. Overall a pretty clear cut example of social contagion

[Jansen]

TLDR: "Basically, the conclusion of this video is that The Last of Us is a coherent and meaningful work that also reflects a kind of liberal Zionist perspective with the general point that often the ruling class justify atrocities not through making things simple, but making them seem too overly complicated for any well-meaning person to oppose. So that anyone who does try to simplify it can be written off as an extremist justifying terrorism, and in this case anti-semitism. Now, here's that but for an hour."



I'm like 15 min in, and it's really good so far.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/jack-saint-zionism-and-the-last-of-us.1287732/#post-144645816

And away we go

[Taco Bell Tower]

I usually pop a couple before I hop on public transit and take a massive shit in my sweltering fursuit.

Pics?

So you can sell them to Rian Johnson?  

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-its-wrong-for-fans-to-attack-people-for-criticising-their-favourite-works.1287378/



SHUT
THE
FUCK
UP

All that effort. Only 5 replies.

5 too many.

6 now

Keep the faith 💪

[Jansen]

This kind of deep analysis screams for a text version. I'm not spending 1h41m trying to struggle through a damn video about something this complex. I don't see a link in the video description for any such thing.



I imagine there is a term for media that you must listen to or watch at its pace in its time line, even if sped up, like audio and video, vs media that you can process at your own pace, like text. I don't know what that term is, but it's a shame to see things so contorted by a prevailing monetization model.



Not to mention that it means that when discussing segments of it you have to use time stamps rather than quotes. ugh.



e: in fact, I'd go so far as to say that if you make a video analysis of something either light or as heavy as this and don't include a text version or transcript, you aren't really interested in a discussion so much as lecturing people for ad revenue, for however long the video is. You may be correct in your point--I wouldn't be surprised if Druckmann and others were telling a story from a liberal zionist perspective, aware or not--but I'm not interested if you refuse to put your thoughts into re
adable words.

Damn if only you could just plainly say you ain't spending two hours on that shit and normal people would understand. Wrong place for that tho!

[Taco Bell Tower]

TLDR: "Basically, the conclusion of this video is that The Last of Us is a coherent and meaningful work that also reflects a kind of liberal Zionist perspective with the general point that often the ruling class justify atrocities not through making things simple, but making them seem too overly complicated for any well-meaning person to oppose. So that anyone who does try to simplify it can be written off as an extremist justifying terrorism, and in this case anti-semitism. Now, here's that but for an hour."



I'm like 15 min in, and it's really good so far.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/jack-saint-zionism-and-the-last-of-us.1287732/#post-144645816

And away we go

doops

this thread is about to be contentious to say the least

Messofanego, your time has come to shine.

Messy all 

[DavidCroquet]

I like how a mass of internet nolifers literally colonized autism so badly that it in 2025 there’s now a discussion where everyone has to be reminded that real autism exists.

You mean that zigzagging between “autism gives you superpowers” or “a quirk that makes you say stupid shit in public” is not a recipe for acceptance?

Frankly--and I'm showing my ignorance here--I'm wondering how we "got here" with autism. And I mean medically. 

Autism: it could mean you know everything about trains! or it could mean you can't feed yourself, are inarticulate, and could casually die in mundane scenarios if not constantly monitored. 

I knew a severely autistic...

There is not a dial labeled autism from bad to not autistic.

Whoops, low-functioning...

I always feel icky when people fall back on "high functioning" and "low functioning", or declaring a "level"

ok, sorry, he was really fucked up. Anyway, he died as a result of his own activities and simply not having eyes on him in the exact moment that things went south. I have had more than one experience where I talk about my experiences with this guy, and someone says "oh yeah I have autism" and it's just...very evident we are not talking about the same thing at all. 

I'm not sure how medical practice is served by piling the most annoying people you know under the same umbrella as inarguably disabled people who are in genuine need of support and services. It's always puzzled me.

[Uncle]

well, there's definitely a concrete spectrum between "things are blurry when I'm too close" to "I have giant splotches missing from my vision and can manage but can't drive" to "my visual cortex literally doesn't function"

it all has to do with a specific sense and we can lump it all into vision without issue, so maybe autism also manifests like that, if someone has done whatever diligence is needed to be able to say these are manifestations of the same thing