(09-26-2025, 05:24 PM)Ethan wrote: Is Frogan still getting sued? I was watching something on Twitch the other night (yeah, I know, I'm ashamed) and both her and Hasan were in the recommended channels on the left side. I don't have a Twitch account so it was based on Cookies and I don't think I ever watched anything political so for whatever reasons, Twitch is really pushing them on people. I don't think Hasan is ever not in the recommended channels (and dude streams like 18 hours a day).
At least you own up to your mistakes.
Fuck Hasan. Fuck Asamongold. Fuck all of them.
How about fuck content creators? That way it covers streamers, influencers AND podcasters.
(09-29-2025, 09:41 AM)Rendle wrote: How about fuck content creators? That way it covers streamers, influencers AND podcasters.
everything is content though
video games, netflix, even
Spoiler: (click to show)(click to hide) k-pop demon hunters
(09-29-2025, 09:41 AM)Rendle wrote: How about fuck content creators?
What about them? They make great fuck content.
(09-29-2025, 11:25 AM)Uncle wrote: (09-29-2025, 09:41 AM)Rendle wrote: How about fuck content creators? That way it covers streamers, influencers AND podcasters.
everything is content though
video games, netflix, even
Spoiler: (click to show)(click to hide) k-pop demon hunters
I liked and unliked this post.
If you dare even breathe anything negative about Kpop Demon Hunters I will be forced to strongly disagree with you. 
I didn't say anything negative about it, I said it was content, and it is
it probably makes YOU content to watch it 
Attempting to link Rumi, Mira, and Zoey to a streamer is tantamount to murder.
Words have power.
(09-29-2025, 05:49 PM)Gameboy Nostalgia wrote: If you dare even breathe anything negative about Kpop Demon Hunters I will be forced to strongly disagree with you.
Why am I the only one that ever suggests murdering fellow posters? 
I'm starting to think that maybe that's wrong?
09-30-2025, 02:31 AM
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https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Stream-Big/Nathan-Grayson/9781982156763 wrote:Told through the diverse and fascinating careers of nine streamers, this is a “timely and insightful dive into the players and politics of one of the twenty-first century’s most influential modes of media” (Brian Merchant, author of Blood in the Machine), examining how Twitch has revolutionized technology, entertainment, business, and pop culture.
With 2.5 million viewers at any given moment, the streaming platform Twitch is in the lead and often well beyond mainstream networks like CNN and Fox during primetime. On Twitch, the Amazon-owned tech behemoth, the biggest personalities, like Kai Cenat, Félix “xQc” Lengyel, and Hasan “HasanAbi” Piker, can earn millions per year by firing up their internet connection and going live.
Veteran technology and gaming journalist Nathan Grayson “captures the multitudes contained within Twitch while offering a captivating window into content creators’ lives” (Publishers Weekly), especially those who helped make the platform into a billion-dollar global business. From Twitch’s early days of rapid growth to acquisition by Amazon to the defection of creators and rival platforms, Grayson makes the radical argument that many social technology companies are far more dependent on their creators than the creators are on their platforms.
Told through nine exceptional Twitch creators whose on-screen personalities helped the company grow into a powerhouse, this is the explosive and “necessary” (Mark Bergen, author of Like, Comment, Subscribe) story of when entertainment meets the internet in the era of social and video content domination.
Within this "timely" and "necessary" book is a call for the government to better police and suppress speech on the internet:
Quote:Even taking into account the #DropKiwiFarms campaign’s success, we’re left with a question: Was it worth the cost? Natasha Tusikov, an associate professor of criminology in the Department of Social Science at York University in Toronto, does not think these sorts of public campaigns are a sustainable means by which to contain the internet’s most virulent ills. Kiwi Farms—like 8chan and the Daily Stormer before it—managed to operate for years sans intervention, causing unquantifiable harm in the process. Moreover, when it came time to confront the beast dwelling in the internet’s basement, the responsibility fell to its victims.
“There can be a good outcome: At least Cloudflare acted in the end,” said Tusikov, who’s written multiple pieces about the relationship between online hate and the structural forces that quietly enable it. “But it could have very easily ignored [the #DropKiwiFarms campaign] and just kind of ridden this out. And then what happens? There’s this kind of small, ragtag group of people who, along with their other jobs and staying safe and producing content and feeding their families, also have to fight for their safety and lives.”
Quote:Tusikov pointed to the way this situation echoed back to discoveries made by activists about PayPal, Airbnb, and other companies in the wake of the 2017 “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, which resulted in the death of a woman named Heather Heyer.
“It was revealed that many of the tech companies were pretty happy to take white supremacist money as long as they didn’t suffer reputational damage,” Tusikov said. “[For them] it was worth it when no one cared, but now it’s no longer worth it.”
The internet’s history, she believes, is a natural origin point for this troubling dynamic: “The United States government preferred a very private sector−led commercial approach,” she said. “You have early internet adopters and scholars and groups like the [Electronic Frontier Foundation] today taking very much a multi-stakeholder approach where the government should play a very light-touch role—that NGOs, especially American NGOs, and businesses should cooperate together.”
“But,” she continued, “what happens when companies themselves are the problem?”
Regulators, activists and online denizens have argued, must take a more prominent role in mitigating these issues.
“The answer to Kiwi Farms is not more speech, but… actually enforcing criminal laws against harassment and doxxing—and incitement to violence and death threats,” said Tusikov. “I think this is one of the things we see whenever there’s a move to regulate internet platforms: the fundamental conflicts between people who are arguing for a light touch, industry-led, civil society−led approach and people who argue that there needs to be more direct government intervention, even when that means government intervention into regulating speech.”
Quote:Other victims of Kiwi Farms agree that trying to blanket the flames of doxxing and harassment with more speech simply isn’t working. As an example [Erin] Reed offered up another entity that made headlines around the same time as Kiwi Farms: a Twitter account called Libs of TikTok, which regularly (and baselessly) characterized specific LGBTQ programs at schools, hospitals, and other locations as on-ramps into grooming and pedophilia. This, especially once the account’s posts gained traction within the right-wing news ecosystem, led to harassment and phoned-in threats at those locations, including bomb threats at Boston Children’s Hospital and Children’s National Hospital in Washington. On Twitter, however, Libs of TikTok persisted.
“I also think it’s important that tech companies be held accountable for actions committed on their platforms and for hate speech that thrives on their platforms,” said Reed. “The biggest example of this right now is Twitter itself with Elon Musk and how to treat accounts like Libs of TikTok that target LGBTQ people, hospitals, school administrators, etc., who receive violent bomb threats, death threats, and actual action…. We’ve seen some companies take a stand on this, but we’ve also seen some companies take a stand in the other direction—sites like Shopify have come out in favor of selling ‘groomer’ merchandise from Libs of TikTok, we’ve seen Elon Musk himself jump into Libs of TikTok’s comments and replies.”
With companies failing to consistently act in situations like these—despite real-world harm, in the cases of both Kiwi Farms and Libs of TikTok—it’s clear that the responsibility cannot lie solely in their hands. But despite calls for change, Reed has yet to come across evidence that regulatory bodies in the United States view it as a pressing concern.
“I’m worried that no action is going to be taken,” said Reed. “I’m worried that there aren’t going to be anti-doxxing measures proposed in legislatures. We haven’t seen much movement…. I haven’t seen much activism around it in terms of legislative lobbying or anything like that.”
Quote:Tusikov again believes that United States cultural norms hold stronger sway in this area than many of us realize. Germany, for example, enforces much stricter rules around how social media companies must moderate hate speech and threats, and even in Canada, as Tusikov explained, freedom of expression is a charter value—applied on a case-by-case basis—rather than “an absolute right.”
“When we talk about the internet and some of these norms that big US companies like Cloudflare take, they have a very US-style footprint in terms of their legal and technical understandings,” she said. “This conflicts with other preferences, like keeping people safe, respecting people’s privacy, or protecting people from hate speech.”
Gardner noted that despite a popular view of the internet informed by the First Amendment, specific elements of it are nonetheless heavily governed by laws—specifically, copyright laws and laws against sexually explicit conduct involving minors.
“All of us agree that there should be some type of regulation of speech on the internet,” she said. “This is why we have agencies that will investigate and prosecute sites that distribute child pornography…. I feel like arguing that there’s a slippery slope from [protecting trans and marginalized people] to some kind of internet surveillance state is nonsense. A slippery slope fallacy is not a reason to avoid protecting people who are being targeted with violence.”
Tusikov believes the rusty gears of government are turning slowly, but they are turning.
“The interest is at least higher now,” she said. “I think there’s greater sensitivity among public policymakers. That’s partly because, every few months, we’re wracked by scandals, whether it’s Nazis, whether it’s Kiwi Farms, whether it’s Twitter, or the implosion of cryptocurrency. We’re seeing how these tech platforms are precarious, that they are interconnected. And as they collapse or implode, they take important parts of society [with them].”
So get to it, President Trump, arrest all streamers now. 
(09-30-2025, 02:31 AM)benji wrote:
[quote=https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Stream-Big/Nathan-Grayson/9781982156763]
Did the subjects of the book like Keffals fuck Grayson to get a chapter?
Here's some wisdom from Hasan:
Quote:“Both on the left and the right—due to Red Scare propaganda, due to a lack of education around what it means to be a socialist or Marxist principles in general—people have this false understanding of what socialism is and what socialism isn’t,” says Piker. “Socialism has never been and will never be a poverty cult. That’s not what it is. As a matter of fact, it’s the exact opposite. It’s about uplifting others. It’s about earning your keep. I say this regularly from [popular video game] BioShock: ‘Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?’ It’s delivered by a supposed libertarian [character], but that is actually a socialist principle…. It’s wage laborers abolishing the profit motive and getting back more of the profits that they generate for their bosses. That’s the fucking point.”
Quote:“I have more autonomy and less alienation from my labor than the overwhelming majority of workers on this planet. But there’s still a big boss up there that dictates how many hours I can be on the platform and how much ad density I have to push and all these other things,” he says. “Twitch is a platform owned by Jeff Bezos, ultimately, [that] still wants me to work the most amount of hours for the least amount of money they can pay me. I want to work the least amount of hours for the most amount of pay I can get out of Twitch. That dynamic is the inherent contradiction within capitalism in every wage labor employer-employee relationship: capital owner versus wage labor.”
Livestreaming, though seemingly cushier than construction or an office job, is still work, and Piker’s belief is that all workers should have each other’s back. There’s no cutoff point for what, in this case, constitutes work. If somebody’s making money off your labor, you’re a worker.
“There’s this attitude amongst working class Americans that the harder and more backbreaking your labor is, the closer you are to real labor,” says Piker. “That’s why when Starbucks baristas get together and unionize, people are like, ‘Well, you’re not really a worker.’ The fuck do you mean? They’re in the service industry. Not everyone has to get black lung in the coal mines to be designated a worker. There’s fifty-five thousand coal miners in this country, total. There’s more people that work at Arby’s.”
But the gig economy, of which Twitch is a part, is moving workers further from reliable structures for collective action, not closer.
“We have a ten percent unionization rate, which is insanely low,” says Piker. “Exploitation that workers face under the regular employment structure is not enough, so they want to switch it over to the gig economy so they can further exploit people with no accountability whatsoever, no legal recourse available. People don’t recognize it because it’s packaged as ‘freedom.’ It’s packaged with American values. Pro-capitalist American values.”
Also this about the guy:
Quote:Beyer chalks this dynamic up to institutional support, or a lack thereof. Creators and controversies on the right—as evidenced even by Piker’s own experience becoming the Fox News controversy of the day in 2019—often work their way up an online food chain, from Twitter to YouTube to TV, and so on. The American left, on the other hand, tends to favor old media institutions like CNN and the New York Times as news sources. But those institutions rarely collaborate with or even acknowledge online creators—at least, not political ones. Moreover, Piker believes his ideological views—which regularly see him trying to heave corporate interests overboard with all his might—further alienate him from the traditional news media ecosystem. In truth, nobody knows quite what to do with him. Networks and publications see him as a threat or don’t see him at all.
Quote:But even this, Beyer thinks, is in its own way a strength.
“On the right, we don’t see a lot of [Piker]-like characters, because they are getting their audiences from institutional support of political content—like advertising, like being on Fox News. They’re not organically creating a community. They’re being force-fed down other people’s throats, through every possible means, whereas [Piker] is organically building up an audience who want to see him through blood, sweat, and tears.”
Some of it is just heartwarming:
Quote:Piker speaks to and is approached by numerous protesters, including a member of his community who was able to pay part of his college tuition by creating a Twitch channel that broadcasts replays of previous streams when Piker isn’t online. Another is wearing a shirt from Piker’s merch collection, which Piker is also wearing.
“This is why I do what I do,” says Piker. “What I do would be meaningless if people didn’t listen and take action.”
But what Piker is happiest to see isn’t any individual person or group. Rather, it’s everybody gathered together, fighting for a cause he’s supported his entire career, for which he’s been ostracized and smeared since October 7. This, through all the darkness and despondency, is what fuels him.
“I would never have imagined this much of a crowd at a college campus anywhere in solidarity with Palestinians,” he says directly into the camera, with his arm around the shoulder of a friend who’s been moved to tears by the enormity of the moment. “In my whole fucking life I never would have ever thought I would see this day. I didn’t stop advancing. I did not stop advocating for the cause. And now I don’t feel lonely; I don’t feel as lonely anymore. That’s because of you guys. That’s because of you in the chat and all of these people out here. They’re putting their bodies on the line. They’re putting their careers on the line. They’re facing possible doxxing. They’re facing assault. They’re facing being brutally arrested for doing what is right. So I hope that you can continue advocating for the right things.”
Quote:"I say this regularly from [popular video game] BioShock: ‘Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?’ It’s delivered by a supposed libertarian [character], but that is actually a socialist principle…. It’s wage laborers abolishing the profit motive and getting back more of the profits that they generate for their bosses. That’s the fucking point.”
And this is why we hate streamers
"A man is entitled to the sweat of his brow" is the exact fucking opposite of socialism.
"A man" ain't "entitled" to shit.
It all belongs to society. Thats what and who you fucking work for - the greater good of society at large.
No wonder the cunt in a mansion and a garage full of sports cars doesn't understand the basic tenet that property is theft, because 'ownership' intrinsically means 'denial to others'.
Like Nepenthe, Hasan is one of our proud anti-capitalists who presumes the key component of capitalism that socialists desired to abolish is a core anti-capitalist value.
It's doubleplus retarded as well, because the fucking in game quote explains it when the "man in Moscow" says no it belongs to everyone.
Like, the actual fucking quote he is fucking citing explicitly defines ideology 101 and establishes that he is rejecting that in like, the next fucking sentence, holy shit!
Hasan the nepobaby who only got where he is today thanks to his uncle?
(09-30-2025, 08:05 PM)Gameboy Nostalgia wrote: Hasan the nepobaby who only got where he is today thanks to his uncle? To be fair, that places him in great company among the lineage of leftist thinkers. Marx, Rousseau, etc.
(09-30-2025, 05:51 PM)Eric Cartman wrote:
"A man is entitled to the sweat of his brow" is the exact fucking opposite of socialism.
"A man" ain't "entitled" to shit.
It all belongs to society. Thats what and who you fucking work for - the greater good of society at large.
No wonder the cunt in a mansion and a garage full of sports cars doesn't understand the basic tenet that property is theft, because 'ownership' intrinsically means 'denial to others'. It's even directly addressed in the monologue
Quote:Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?
'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor.'
'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'It belongs to God.'
'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'It belongs to everyone.'
streamers deserve to be spit on.
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(10-01-2025, 12:07 AM)HaughtyFrank wrote: Quote:Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?
'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor.'
'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'It belongs to God.'
'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'It belongs to everyone.'
yeah, and literally the very next line is
Quote:I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different.
So when Hasanbara Piker is going "Yeah, I really identify with the Ayn Randian interpretation of socialism" -  - literally ther very next line after he clipchimped is AND REJECT IT
10-03-2025, 06:53 PM
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Everything is violence and violence needs to be redistributed but I also abhor violence (  ) , please NYT columnist, help me make this sound less idiotic
Revolutionary violence is structural violence of poverty?
Lil bro, I know you're a CIA plant used to radicalize the left but at least show some spine for your handlers and say what you actual mean.
Unjust wealth. So like his own?
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