Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[Jansen]

Just because you can't legally put a shock collar on a child doesn't mean it's wrong if you do

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

How can you be a freelance director of anything?

freelance director of deez nuts

[PogiJones]

It's wrong to claim that women might prefer some platforms over others but also it's absolutely necessary to eliminate all boobs from gaming because it's factually correct that women prefer games with no boobs over others

There are just as many women that play games but also there aren't enough women that play games because the games are targeted at men but also women like men's hobbies just as much and therefore should be catered to but also we need more women focused games but also if men don't like games targeted at women then the men are sexist but also if women don't like games targeted at men then the games are sexist but remember there are no such thing as preferences by sex but also you definitely need to change your game that is off-putting to women but also it's fine and good if a game is off-putting to men but also remember the market size for both are the same and really actually bigger for women if you think about it but also

[Jeff_at_the_laughfactory]

Cum for women giving birth

[Nintex]

Thanks Jared

How about a Nobel peace price for Trump, Jared and "that 16th century golden chandelier would really complete the ballroom"  Witkoff.

 blessed be the peacemakers

[kaleidoscopium]

You can't ask questions like this when you've already been given the answer in the thread multiple times and have purposefully ignored it. But I'll try yet again:

His dog has been behind him for just about every single 7-8 hour daily stream for over two years. He is on video, countless times, verbally telling the dog to lie down on the bed. She does it without issue and there has never been a single example of pain in the past.

This means that if he used a shock collar on her this week, he either decided to start using it randomly after two years or he has been secretly using it for two years and the dog has never once reacted to it until now. And somehow, not a single viewer (including the insane parasocial ones who look for reasons to ruin his career) ever noticed a shock collar in a 2+ year time frame. Those are the two scenarios you have to chose from if you believe he shocked the dog in this video and neither of them are realistic.

That is on top of the fact that he is on video in the past saying that he couldn't bring himself to use a shock collar. That is on top of him having numerous people in his life, such as animal conservationist Maya Higa, who would not be okay with him using a shock collar. Caroline Kwan, a streamer who has watched Kaya in the past with her partner Will Neff, confirmed tonight that it was only a vibration collar and that it didn't even need to be used.

Given all of that, it is completely understandable to believe him.

You need to understand that this is not how the world works. Ignoring the fact that there's plenty of reasons to believe he didn't use a shock collar, as noted above, the burden is on you to provide evidence that he did.

And considering that you straight up lied earlier in the thread and claimed that Hasan admitted to shocking the dog, it's quite clear that you are not coming at this from a fair or unbiased direction. You're believing what you want to believe, logic be damned.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hasan-piker-ot-oh-your-such-a-big-man-hasan.321886/page-51#post-146194867

Jeff going this hard in the paint for Hassan of all people is just so fucking funny to me. Does he actually love Hassan more than Marvel?

[Uncle]

people just suddenly decide to do things all the time

if tomorrow he's on stream and we see him drink gamer girl bathwater, is jeff gonna be like "look he's been on stream every day for 8 hours and we've never seen him drink gamer girl bathwater, are you saying just out of the blue he suddenly decided to do this, having never done it before?"

yes? because there's obvious visual evidence of it?

[kaleidoscopium]

Are you gonna regurgitate more Nazi Reddit talking points and images when it is once again pointed out to you as it was others that you can not remove the shock prongs on that collar? They are soldered on

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hasan-piker-ot-oh-your-such-a-big-man-hasan.321886/page-51#post-146198740

Classic cult tactics at play here of attacking the source rather than the message, brand the outgroup etc. really fun to see it happening live. 

will I catch a ban if I openly speculate that I think Mossad is bot farming the hell out of LSF and other major subs. I honestly do not think it is a reach one bit atp

I have never been more black pilled on the vast majority of people than I have been in the last two months. it's always been tenuous, but we are honestly so fucked and so beyond unprepared as a species to cope with the systems our tech overlords are brute forcing into existence

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hasan-piker-ot-oh-your-such-a-big-man-hasan.321886/page-51#post-146197855

Healthy community

[BananaBlast]

I've decided to archive that tweet for everyone except the british

What a disgusting freak. The crybaby who always objects to the most menial bullshit, is somehow totally okay with some random whats-her-name streaming a live childbirth.

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

To be fair, I think the actual view is far away from the camera, so you're not really seeing anything graphic, but it's still not something that should be livestreamed.

[BIONIC]

Morning blessings from Jeff:

Always knew he was sussss

[kaleidoscopium]

Jeff agreeing with known Nazi sympathizer Justin Whang?  

[HaughtyFrank]

Morning blessings from Jeff:

Always knew he was sussss

This is the worst thing Jeff has ever said. I felt the need to screenshot it

[DavidCroquet]

people just suddenly decide to do things all the time

if tomorrow he's on stream and we see him drink gamer girl bathwater, is jeff gonna be like "look he's been on stream every day for 8 hours and we've never seen him drink gamer girl bathwater, are you saying just out of the blue he suddenly decided to do this, having never done it before?"

yes? because there's obvious visual evidence of it?

Not to mention Hasan goes on this random non sequitur about his mom "spoiling" the dog by letting her walk around the house.

Hasan himself contextualizes the whole scenario for anyone watching: my dog has experienced the forbidden joys of independent locomotion while I was gone. She must be Educated back into compliance and she is being about it. 

Also, really none of that matters. The flow of excuses really say more than any Sophistry Olympics could.

> dogs yelp for no reason
> it was her dewclaw
> the collar is just an AirTag
> the collar is just a vibration collar, but it wasn't used
> yes the model appears to be identical to a shock collar but there are no prongs and prongs are not removable 
> Shock collars are fine when used properly <-----we are here
> ???
> Hasan shocked his dog because it moved at all

EDIT: For posterity

Course you are but it's a very different debate to the one that's gone viral. There's still disagreements between dog trainers on their effectiveness and I think the majority now go with positive reinforcement. But if I was a new dog owner and hired a credited trainer I'd hope I could trust their judgement on what's best for the long term development of my puppy.

It's worth pointing out that modern day shock features on e-collars are not what most people think they are when they hear shock collar. They don't really cause pain, but it's still a negative reinforcement which I wouldn't want for my dog. I think the bigger concern is also them potentially malfunctioning and causing physical harm. Which is why it's a much worse prospect if untrained people are using them.

[DavidCroquet]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hasan-piker-ot-oh-your-such-a-big-man-hasan.321886/page-51#post-146200735

And it absolutely fucking matters where and when it "surfaced". And it wasn't "multiple places", it was H3 and Asmongold, then LSF.

I personally first heard about all of this on ResetEra Dot Com.

Which makes me wonder: what would happen if a source were to ban itself? 

[BananaBlast]

I noticed that there's a few replies from women (or who appear to be women) who say that "she's an OF thot who's sexualizing her childbirth", just as Jeff claims the incels are saying.

But of course, he's too much of a pussy to reply to them.

[DavidCroquet]

Sorry folks, I'm having too much fun with this Hasan thing. I think it's a symptom of avoiding bullying Nepenthe--my psychology cries out for an obvious target. 

That is on top of him having numerous people in his life, such as animal conservationist Maya Higa, who would not be okay with him using a shock collar.

There's another video of a guest he had on who was teaching him about dogs, and she said the collar is way too tight on Kaya and potentially choking her.

Some random guy said it was too tight so we just take their word for it?

"Hasan is surrounded by people who would speak up!"
"Someone did speak up."
"Oh some random nobody, whoop-de-fuck."

Also...misgendering????

[BIONIC]

So at what point is the time that people calling every last thing a "purity test" get cracked down with bans or even warnings? Telling trans people straight to their face that hating on Newsom is a "purity test" for example is beyond a joke.

Would it be fair to have some sort of Newsom/general dem criticism thread if people don't want that to be part of more specific individual threads?

Getting completely ignored in constructive

[Uncle]

Sorry folks, I'm having too much fun with this Hasan thing.

hasan shock saga is a legit side chapter, a bottle episode of the era show  

[kaleidoscopium]

Nice summery for people to watch or not. Had to send this to my wife.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hasan-piker-ot-oh-your-such-a-big-man-hasan.321886/page-52#post-146201956

“Gahhhh!!! I had to send this to my stupid idiot wife!!! She didn’t believe me that Hassan is INNOCENT!!! damn wife!!!!!”

[DavidCroquet]

There's something about being a wife married to a stupid guy that really activates my sympathy neurons. 

Like, if I were a woman married to a man, and he sends me a "summery" of anything, I might kill myself.

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

I often am moved to tears when I reflect on the suffering of my own wife.

[HaughtyFrank]

Our love language is sending each other four hour long YouTube essays

[Besticus Maximus]

People do not care about the truth, once the truth appears, people will just see it and move on with their day. They will never reflect on their actions.

[DavidCroquet]

Corncob treading on unsteady ground...

If it really isn't a shock collar Hasan is the unluckiest guy because it's crazy how the dog yelps exactly at the same time he takes something from his desk. You don't need to follow anyone weird to think that clip looks bad

If he's not an assassin, the guy who fiddled with his collar near Charlie Kirk as he was shot is the unluckiest guy because it's crazy how his neck exploded at the same time he tugs on the collar.

Good idea. Let's draw comparisons to a topic on which Era has an airtight association with facts and reality.

[PogiJones]

people just suddenly decide to do things all the time

if tomorrow he's on stream and we see him drink gamer girl bathwater, is jeff gonna be like "look he's been on stream every day for 8 hours and we've never seen him drink gamer girl bathwater, are you saying just out of the blue he suddenly decided to do this, having never done it before?"

yes? because there's obvious visual evidence of it?

Not to mention Hasan goes on this random non sequitur about his mom "spoiling" the dog by letting her walk around the house.

Hasan himself contextualizes the whole scenario for anyone watching: my dog has experienced the forbidden joys of independent locomotion while I was gone. She must be Educated back into compliance and she is being about it. 

Also, really none of that matters. The flow of excuses really say more than any Sophistry Olympics could.

> dogs yelp for no reason
> it was her dewclaw
> the collar is just an AirTag
> the collar is just a vibration collar, but it wasn't used
> yes the model appears to be identical to a shock collar but there are no prongs and prongs are not removable 
> Shock collars are fine when used properly <-----we are here
> ???
> Hasan shocked his dog because it moved at all

EDIT: For posterity

Course you are but it's a very different debate to the one that's gone viral. There's still disagreements between dog trainers on their effectiveness and I think the majority now go with positive reinforcement. But if I was a new dog owner and hired a credited trainer I'd hope I could trust their judgement on what's best for the long term development of my puppy.

It's worth pointing out that modern day shock features on e-collars are not what most people think they are when they hear shock collar. They don't really cause pain, but it's still a negative reinforcement which I wouldn't want for my dog. I think the bigger concern is also them potentially malfunctioning and causing physical harm. Which is why it's a much worse prospect if untrained people are using them.

And even just the probabilities involved do most of the indictment on their own. A tiny proportion of people have a scenario occur where it looks exactly like they shocked their dog but didn't. And a tiny proportion of people have a big electrical collar on their dog that is not a shock collar. What are the chances that people saw him apparently shock his dog, then looked at the collar, and the collar happened to look exactly like a shock collar? Do you know how insanely unlucky he would have to be for that to occur while he's innocent? Or, he shocked his dog and everything makes sense, including why he went off stream without showing the collar and only did so once he had plenty of private time to prepare.

[kaleidoscopium]

There is not, but sourcing arguments, videos, and images from nazi reddits and continuing to insist on their validity despite ample evidence to the contrary is in fact regurgitating nazi shit. Against someone that literally has the Proud Boys, and multiple far right streamers attempting to get him deplatformed and physically harmed. So in that context the insistence on continuing to regurgitate this nonsense has agency. Can you explain why you are insisting on sourcing from racist subreddits and their framing and then what people should instead take away for why you would be so insistent on doing so? Why you would preference those sources and those narratives over the litany of counterpoints to each and every one of them provided in here by multiple people and sources?

I mean maybe you somehow just came across the same exact images posted on r/LSF, r/Destiny, r/asmongold, and r/h3h3productions, but when verbatim the same arguments originating from racist streamers and communities are repeated nearly line for line, and all the talking points in the same posts, like one poster above, and several people all continue to double down on these preferred narratives, with some that insist on answering every inconsistency pointed out to them with a new nefarious conspiracy, or just bulldozing over explanations as if they don't exist, it raises some obvious questions.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hasan-piker-ot-oh-your-such-a-big-man-hasan.321886/page-52#post-146203117

Truly tilting at windmills here. Do they ever wonder why it is that anyone who deigns disagree with Hassan becomes the latest bogeyman?

[HaughtyFrank]

There is not, but sourcing arguments, videos, and images from nazi reddits and continuing to insist on their validity despite ample evidence to the contrary is in fact regurgitating nazi shit. Against someone that literally has the Proud Boys, and multiple far right streamers attempting to get him deplatformed and physically harmed. So in that context the insistence on continuing to regurgitate this nonsense has agency. Can you explain why you are insisting on sourcing from racist subreddits and their framing and then what people should instead take away for why you would be so insistent on doing so? Why you would preference those sources and those narratives over the litany of counterpoints to each and every one of them provided in here by multiple people and sources?

I mean maybe you somehow just came across the same exact images posted on r/LSF, r/Destiny, r/asmongold, and r/h3h3productions, but when verbatim the same arguments originating from racist streamers and communities are repeated nearly line for line, and all the talking points in the same posts, like one poster above, and several people all continue to double down on these preferred narratives, with some that insist on answering every inconsistency pointed out to them with a new nefarious conspiracy, or just bulldozing over explanations as if they don't exist, it raises some obvious questions.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hasan-piker-ot-oh-your-such-a-big-man-hasan.321886/page-52#post-146203117

Truly tilting at windmills here. Do they ever wonder why it is that anyone who deigns disagree with Hassan becomes the latest bogeyman?

"I constantly look at asmongolds etc. subreddits (but for righteous reasons) clearly everyone else must constantly look at those subreddits too"

[Jansen]

And people unironically wonder why there's effectively zero prominent American leftist influencers. There's a soft fart of misdoing, and your fellow "leftists" spring into action to help right-wing Reddit goons take down one of their own, gladly elevating and regurgitating bad-faith astroturfing as indisputable fact. It's telling we're cherry-picking random disconnected clips that span almost a fucking decade as the primary "proof" of wrongdoing. It's telling that we are resorting to a piece of ragidy-ass tape that's clearly been on the thing for weeks/months/years as damning evidence that "he's hiding something!!". It's telling that we're describing giving a dog a command in a firm, scolding tone as "yelling" and "snapping", as if Hasan was red-in-the-face, veins popping out of his forehead, and spittle flying through the air when he told Kaya to lay down. It's telling that we're days into this and no one can produce a single fucking additional clip of his stream in the past few years where he's (even possibly) shocked his dog. It's telling that none of the dozens of people who have been around Hasan and his dog are willing to say "yeah, I've seen him shock her before".



Like, I genuinely don't give much of a fuck about Hasan -- his style of content started annoying me several years ago and I've been fairly tuned out ever since. I don't really want to be posting in his OT! But this shit has been popping up on every feed I have at this point, and after spending way too much time yesterday diving into "the evidence" after seeing the initial clip and thinking "maybe he did shock his dog" at first, it's actually all fucking nothing. It's grasping at fucking circumstantial straws and contorting entirely normal dog-owner/dog behavior ("she sat for four hours, oh my god!!!") into something sinister, largely and clearly being driven by people who would say and do anything to get Hasan de-platformed.



But that doesn't matter. Some of you are clearly deeply dug in, and there's nothing me, other posters, Hasan, or anyone else can tell you that will make you convince you of anything else. Just don't let me catch a single fucking one of you bemoan how right-wingers have an iron grip on online social discourse while you sit here and uncritically do the fucking work 
for them.

Lol

[Straight Edge]

Throughout this entire shock collar debacle, no one has thought to ask the dog what happened. I nominate Fat4all look into this.

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/mad-max-director-george-miller-on-why-he-is-taking-part-in-an-ai-film-festival-%E2%80%98ai-is-here-to-stay-and-change-things%E2%80%99.1320853/



Let the cancellation begin

[nachobro]

fury road sucks ass 

oh you drove around in a circle, big fuckin deal