Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[benji]

They love the Nazi bar analaogy until someone calls the US a Nazi bar

Wouldn't it make the entire world a Nazi bar? 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

They love the Nazi bar analaogy until someone calls the US a Nazi bar

https://www.resetera.com/threads/greenland-invasion-next-stephen-miller%E2%80%99s-wife-suggests-it-could-happen-%E2%80%9Csoon%E2%80%9D.1396576/page-4#post-149643928

 User banned (2 weeks): inflammatory rhetoric

There's literally nothing us non-Trump supporting people can actually do until November. So long as his party controls all of government there's nothing we can do to prevent him from acting like a complete tyrant.

That's what's so infuriating about this whole thing. Lots of non Americans on Era keep saying "it's up to Americans to do something about Trump," but seriously, what?

Yes you can. Fucking revolution is what you can do. You don't want to? Cool but then don't say "there's nothing I can do". By doing nothing you're complicit in the Nazi state policies.

[Polident]

the bore autists "everything reee says must be wrong and I am very smart!  "

what specifically are you criticizing here, what do you think people should agree with that they're not

At the end of the day, nobody is really above all this when we're still posting on spin-off video game (?) gossip forums. If there's a distinction, there are no delusions that there's some noble important discussion going on here. I hope so, anyway. There's some recognition this is all bullshit for mild entertainment. There you get users posting about wanting to burn down the capitalist core, two minutes after they're asking if Sonic X Shadow Generations is worth it only for the Shadow campaign.

The only winners are the ones who stop posting.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-threatens-to-attack-colombia-%E2%80%9Ca-sick-country-led-by-a-sick-man-who-likes-to-make-cocaine-he-ain%E2%80%99t-doing-for-very-long-let-me-tell-you%E2%80%9D.1396975/#post-149668027

And people on this very forum said there would be no difference between a Harris presidency and Trump.

"People are hurting"

It's a fucking joke. But pointing out the pro Trump equivocation of some staff members gets you banned. Stupidity is one thing, malicious equivalence is a weapon of fascism and some people are just so eager to be weaponized.

We sleep in the beds we make, though. To be honest, I valued my membership on a video game forum more than I did speaking out against people who were desperate to reelect Trump. I've made my own bed, valued my membership on a videogame forum more than things that actually matter.

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/greenland-invasion-next-stephen-miller%E2%80%99s-wife-suggests-it-could-happen-%E2%80%9Csoon%E2%80%9D.1396576/page-4#post-149643928

 User banned (2 weeks): inflammatory rhetoric

There's literally nothing us non-Trump supporting people can actually do until November. So long as his party controls all of government there's nothing we can do to prevent him from acting like a complete tyrant.

That's what's so infuriating about this whole thing. Lots of non Americans on Era keep saying "it's up to Americans to do something about Trump," but seriously, what?

Yes you can. Fucking revolution is what you can do. You don't want to? Cool but then don't say "there's nothing I can do". By doing nothing you're complicit in the Nazi state policies.

"Seriously, just overthrow one of the world's largest and most powerful states" says local man not overthrowing his own weaker capitalist, colonialist and white supremacist state.

[filler]

the bore autists "everything reee says must be wrong and I am very smart!  "

what specifically are you criticizing here, what do you think people should agree with that they're not

At the end of the day, nobody is really above all this when we're still posting on spin-off video game (?) gossip forums. If there's a distinction, there are no delusions that there's some noble important discussion going on here. I hope so, anyway. There's some recognition this is all bullshit for mild entertainment. There you get users posting about wanting to burn down the capitalist core, two minutes after they're asking if Sonic X Shadow Generations is worth it only for the Shadow campaign.

The only winners are the ones who stop posting.

I am above all this and I am the only winner 

[HaughtyFrank]

"Seriously, just overthrow one of the world's largest and most powerful states" says local man not overthrowing his own weaker capitalist, colonialist and white supremacist state.

I would overthrow my government but it's against international law

[Averon]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-threatens-to-attack-colombia-%E2%80%9Ca-sick-country-led-by-a-sick-man-who-likes-to-make-cocaine-he-ain%E2%80%99t-doing-for-very-long-let-me-tell-you%E2%80%9D.1396975/#post-149668027

And people on this very forum said there would be no difference between a Harris presidency and Trump.

"People are hurting"

It's a fucking joke. But pointing out the pro Trump equivocation of some staff members gets you banned. Stupidity is one thing, malicious equivalence is a weapon of fascism and some people are just so eager to be weaponized.

We sleep in the beds we make, though. To be honest, I valued my membership on a video game forum more than I did speaking out against people who were desperate to reelect Trump. I've made my own bed, valued my membership on a videogame forum more than things that actually matter.

The Albatross needs to stop being a pussy and call out Nepenthe, who we all know is the "staff member" he's talking about. But he still cares too much about his account, so he pussy out using vague language anyone who even just casually read the political and other OT threads on ERA where Nepenthe posts in can see through.

[benji]

"there are western propaganda videos of venezualans celebrating! that must mean it's a good thing their country was bombed!!"

[filler]

[Boredfrom]

Even as a latino who's very pissed off and terrified for my country, no one here was desperate to reelect Trump, people said the dems were equally awful to Palestine which is true

Motherfucker, who the fuck cares about Palestine when your country gets it by the ass?  

You are not brave for being a retard that cared more about being in with online cliques than your own self worth in your own country.  

Bitch ass fake concern about Palestine because social media anti semitism.

[filler]

[filler]

most of the bore looks like this for me 

[Boredfrom]

I think they expected more resistance to Venezuela than actually happened so now they can do less in trying to pretend there's any justification.

Yeah this is what concerns me.

The apathy is just off the charts. There is very little he is not capable of doing right now.

 

Trump and his cronies choose Maduro precisely because he was an unpopular fuck. The apathy towards Maduro is because Chavismo was already a political laughingstock outside lefties, the fact that neither China or Russia seem to care should tell you how calculated was this by Trump’s enablers.

[benji]

most of the bore looks like this for me 

Twitter embeds. Good on you for blocking the Nazi site. (Or Javascript probably.)

[benji]

I think they expected more resistance to Venezuela than actually happened so now they can do less in trying to pretend there's any justification.

Yeah this is what concerns me.

The apathy is just off the charts. There is very little he is not capable of doing right now.

 

Trump and his cronies choose Maduro precisely because he was an unpopular fuck. The apathy towards Maduro is because Chavismo was already a political laughingstock outside lefties, the fact that neither China or Russia seem to care should tell you how calculated was this by Trump’s enablers.

Yeah, like I said, they don't realize all of the West has been sanctioning Maduro and none recognized his presidency. This came at the end of over a decade of the situation, Rubio has always pushed it, etc. They think it's Trump randomly deciding something rather than Trump randomly deciding to align with extensive parts of existing US policy because he has zero concerns about using US force. They already forget they thought he was launching a full scale war with Iran alongside Israel just a couple months ago. They forget they were upset about Biden bombing the anti-Zionist anti-genocide freedom fighters in Yemen. They forget Trump's bragged about assassinating a dude in his previous term which itself wasn't out of line with American policy under the Obama Administration to drone strike people or invade a sovereign "ally" to murder Osama bin Laden.

[Boredfrom]

My hot take: Trump did this because he is feeling his tiny dick and he knows that the international community is realizing how all talk he is. Europe and Ukraine are basically trying to bypass him because is transparent he wants to be in Papa Putin good side. Maduro is still making peace signs and thumbs up in his way to prison, Netanyahu may give him a peace prize but is so cynical that even the Fifa is blushing.

Why they hell you think that Trump’s Croonie was sperging about “what the president say is to be taken seriously and he means it.  ”

[Alpacx]

I think they expected more resistance to Venezuela than actually happened so now they can do less in trying to pretend there's any justification.

Yeah this is what concerns me.

The apathy is just off the charts. There is very little he is not capable of doing right now.

 

Trump and his cronies choose Maduro precisely because he was an unpopular fuck. The apathy towards Maduro is because Chavismo was already a political laughingstock outside lefties, the fact that neither China or Russia seem to care should tell you how calculated was this by Trump’s enablers.

So unpopular the dude might not have trusted Venezuelans to man his security 

[Boredfrom]

Chavismo is just Latin American lefty equivalent of MAGA:

[benji]

My hot take: Trump did this because he is feeling his tiny dick and he knows that the international community is realizing how all talk he is. Europe and Ukraine are basically trying to bypass him because is transparent he wants to be in Papa Putin good side. Maduro is still making peace signs and thumbs up in his way to prison, Netanyahu may give him a peace prize but is so cynical that even the Fifa is blushing.

Why they hell you think that Trump’s Croonie was sperging about “what the president say is to be taken seriously and he means it.  ”

I think he did this because he's easily sold and then will self-escalate things himself because he's a moron obsessed with getting a "win" no matter how pyrrhic. That's the story of his time in the casino industry. Once he was convinced about the Venezuela situation it would have taken zero extra effort to convince him to "solve" the problem "once and for all" especially if he could be convinced it wouldn't cause him any problems. He's single-minded and likes simple seeming solutions, so "just take out Maduro" is utterly perfect. Nobody else would do it because they'd overthink it and care about norms and the ramifications, Trump has zero concern about those. This is where the excuse about Trump "getting bad advice" comes from because he'll listen to whatever sounds good at the moment from the last person he talked to and instantly appoint them as some kind of "guru" until he dumps them once they demonstrate they aren't "loyal" by not subsuming their entire existence to Trump. So he's constantly taking up completely stupid ideas from random people like that he could throw out valid electors and nobody would complain. Usually ideas that the random people haven't even really thought about or fleshed out and then once Trump signs on they try to fill out the details. Again, you can look at every business thing he's ever done. He has a history of agreeing to develop buildings and golf courses without any plans or even ownership over the property needed.

This is why the Canada stuff is nonsense, literally who is going to rightly argue that there needs to be an invasion and conquering of Canada? Nobody because nobody takes the Canadian threat seriously. If he wasn't wedded to the idea that Putin was strong and resolute, say by being convinced Putin was endlessly mocking him, he probably could be convinced to try it on Putin. But there'd be few around him who would advise that because of the nuclear and other fears. Could he be convinced to do it against a whole bunch of other countries like Cuba? Well, yeah, but there's not a lot of countries that work because there are only so many pariah states in the world that nobody will go to bat for. Cuba isn't one of those, so that's probably more about how long Rubio keeps his ear.

The actual surprising thing is that Trump's not talking about how this will uncover the 2020 election fraud and insisting they charge Maduro with it. Even MAGA's not talking about it that I've seen even though Venezuela was supposed to be at the center of that theft. Shows you just how powerful the Deep State is.

[benji]

I think it was one of the casino companies he partnered with and then went to war with (possibly was a bank) where the negotiators realized that Trump always cut every proposal for what he paid in half. So they just started opening by doubling what they wanted, Trump would cut it in half, they would agree and Trump would brag about the deal he won.

[filler]

Everyone hates TheJeffCU.  I get giddy every time he catches some factually true truth bullets to his pencil shaped head.

Is this the chick who live streamed giving birth that Zeo watched?

zeo has many fetishes :amirox 

#teamzeo 

[Geoff Marvel]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/in-a-shocking-development-tim-walz-the-presumptive-2026-democratic-nominee-for-minnesota%E2%80%99s-governor-is-expected-to-drop-out-of-the-race-on-monday.1396996/

Queue the posts of always I knew he was ..............

[benji]

I think he did this because he's easily sold and then will self-escalate things himself because he's a moron obsessed with getting a "win" no matter how pyrrhic. That's the story of his time in the casino industry. Once he was convinced about the Venezuela situation it would have taken zero extra effort to convince him to "solve" the problem "once and for all" especially if he could be convinced it wouldn't cause him any problems. He's single-minded and likes simple seeming solutions, so "just take out Maduro" is utterly perfect. Nobody else would do it because they'd overthink it and care about norms and the ramifications, Trump has zero concern about those. This is where the excuse about Trump "getting bad advice" comes from because he'll listen to whatever sounds good at the moment from the last person he talked to and instantly appoint them as some kind of "guru" until he dumps them once they demonstrate they aren't "loyal" by not subsuming their entire existence to Trump.

Six months before he sent U.S. forces to seize Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro, President Trump wanted to cut a deal with Maduro, not forcibly remove him from power.

During a July meeting in the Oval Office, Trump told advisers that he wanted to keep negotiating with Maduro’s regime to reach a deal to give priority to U.S. oil companies seeking to pump Venezuelan crude—opting for diplomacy with the autocratic leader.

Trump acknowledged that Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who had long cautioned him against trusting Maduro and believed oil revenues would bolster his regime, opposed the approach. But Trump, according to people briefed on the discussion, said he wanted a deal: “We’re doing it my way.”

In late December, the president decided in favor of military action, fed up with repeated efforts to persuade Maduro to leave office in exchange for amnesty for his alleged crimes.

In Trump’s second term, Venezuela quickly became an unlikely convergence point for his priorities—mass deportations, drug trafficking, the lure of the country’s vast oil and mineral reserves, and a longstanding push by Rubio, the son of Cuban immigrants, and other hard-liners to depose its brutal regime.

“Venezuela is a perfect storm, it’s everything the Trump administration is concerned about,” said Elliott Abrams, who handled Venezuelan affairs in Trump’s first term.

Trump’s fixation on the country’s resources, expressed to allies after he took office for the second time, triggered behind-the-scenes jockeying among his advisers and oil lobbyists over the shape of his Venezuela policy. Trump made it clear he cared more about a bargain from Caracas that served his America First agenda, including cooperation on deportations and favorable oil deals, than pressing for a democratic transition.

Ultimately, Rubio and Trump’s other hawkish advisers came out on top after they convinced the president that Maduro was a drug-trafficking terrorist who wouldn’t leave power on his own.

When Trump returned to the White House last January, he felt he had put too much time and political capital into trying—and failing—to oust Maduro in his first term, according to former officials.

But the issue quickly re-entered his orbit. Many of Trump’s top allies saw Maduro’s clinging to power as a lingering humiliation, and a sign that Washington was tolerating an openly hostile regime in its own hemisphere, former U.S. officials said.

Rubio warned the president that the Venezuelan leader had made five deals with different administrations over the past 10 years and had broken all of them, according to a Rubio aide.

Trump decided to offer Maduro a way out.

In May, the U.S. offered Maduro a deal to leave Venezuela for a life in exile in exchange for an amnesty that would shield him from drug charges, according to people familiar with the matter. The sanctions against him and some other regime officials would be lifted and the U.S. in turn would work with a transition government, the people said. One of the people said that there were early discussions about the government being led by Vice President Rodríguez.

The strongman rejected that offer, as well as similar ones that followed.

Some top officials, including Rubio and Miller, stressed to Trump that U.S. prosecutors had charged Maduro with being the head of a drug-trafficking enterprise. It resonated with the president, who had campaigned on stemming the flow of drugs into the country, according to a senior administration official.

By the fall, Trump had told Grenell to stop his diplomatic outreach to Venezuelan officials, and Grenell has been sidelined since then, administration officials said.

Art of the deal by farsighted and principled leadership. Frederik X should start thinking about taking the amnesty offer. 

[yetanotheraccountholyf]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-threatens-to-attack-colombia-%E2%80%9Ca-sick-country-led-by-a-sick-man-who-likes-to-make-cocaine-he-ain%E2%80%99t-doing-for-very-long-let-me-tell-you%E2%80%9D.1396975/page-2

If only Joe Biden hadn't allowed the birth of Trump.

Yes, Biden is to blame for Trump.

Fucking hell dude

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-threatens-to-attack-colombia-%E2%80%9Ca-sick-country-led-by-a-sick-man-who-likes-to-make-cocaine-he-ain%E2%80%99t-doing-for-very-long-let-me-tell-you%E2%80%9D.1396975/page-2

If only Joe Biden hadn't allowed the birth of Trump.

Yes, Biden is to blame for Trump.

Fucking hell dude

FACT CHECK: Three and a half year old Joe Biden could have prevented Trump's birth.

[nampad]

Even Putin at least attempted to manufacture consent first.

But he didn't win in 3 days

Trump bombed the body of Hugo Chavez goddamn

Timeframe sounds close to Dutch surrender to Germany.

[Snoopy]

The same things every other colonial power has exploited and stolen from us?

Just because we don't have oil reserves like Venezuela doesn't mean we don't have a shit ton of natural resources. For example, we are the #2 country in the Americas for coal production, after the United States.

Coal

[benji]

It wouldn't even be safe for a leader like Gustavo Petro to travel to the US at this point, in my opinion. Which is problematic considering that's where the fucking UN headquarters is and where they hold meetings of the General Assembly. How can international diplomacy work at all with this kind of threat? Of course, last time he was there, he had his visa revoked and was removed from the US because he dared to engage in political speech. I could see him being kidnapped now with this escalation.

Seriously, the UN needs to move the General Assembly in response. They won't, but they still need to.

The UN as a whole is a joke and needs to be dismantled. We need to try yet again but this time without a bully council. And if the bullies refuse to join who cares.

So some kind of debating club?

I think China will take Taiwan on their own time based on economic and military conditions.

I think the diplomatic side is of lesser concern. The same group of western leaders making statements criticizing Maduro without mentioning Trump's war crimes will still criticize China. Hypocrites don't stop their hypocrisy just because they got caught. And China can argue back and win at the UN Assembly. But these things don't actually matter. Might makes right.

This guy.  

From that thread:

I think the first test of this for China might be the freedom of navigation transits through the Taiwan strait.

It would be plausible to see an increased challenge to, or reluctance to allow a US carrier group to be anywhere nearby now they have a reputation for being more warlike.

Also Croix is clarifying the earlier post:

Maybe you should re-read my post because it seems you missed my entire point: he doesn't need to do any of these things, he has remained in power with minimal consequences for 10 years now despite everything being known (ok, he lost an election, and won it again, meanwhile he continued to get richer and richer and influence USA politics).

Xi Jinping needs to do these things because otherwise he would be out of power soon. The USA wishes it had half of China's grassroots level of culture of criticism towards authority, protesting, and history of revolutionary politics.

Also, technicisms and all that but China is not a fascist state, unlike the current USA. It doesn't have a (state-directed) culture of glorification of violence especially against minorities, oligarchs and the big corporations don't run the government (the communist party actively tries to control and restrict their power for their own aims), and importantly it doesn't employ a rhetoric of ethnic (white) supremacism which sees ethnic minorities as the evil other to be enslaved or exterminated; among the main things it constitutes a fascist state and which the USA absolutely does have. You are confusing certain forms of authoritarianism with that. Oh, and I would absolutely prefer to live in China than in the fucking US.

Also, when I put people on ignore is because I notice a consistent repeated pattern of posting and for the sake of my own mental health wellbeing, not because I choose to remain ignorant.

I'm sorry but posts like this are insulting towards all the victims of the regime in China. You don't rather want to live in a country that has literal concentration camps.

If you had post what you did in china without a VPN you would be in huge problems

I'm sorry, I don't know if you missed that I have said Xi Jinping's government is terrible (including their assimilation policies of Uyghurs, among other things). Also, are you implying that the USA doesn't have concentration camps or that you can't go to prison for arbitrary things, such as protesting? Because you are very naïve if you think so.

Also, you don't need a VPN in China to post in ERA and write a post like the one I wrote, and certainly not to criticize the government with your friends, I do so all the time on WeChat (a different thing is doing so in well-known public media, that can potentially get you in trouble).

What I find insulting is the condescending level to which some people go to delude themselves they aren't living in fascism and are better than these Chinese.

China the friend of minorities is something new.
I wonder what Tibet says to that, or the Uyghurs during their "education courses" or work shift in their cultural theme park.

Thank you for your disingeneous post, maybe you would like to point out where I said that. I said the Chinese government doesn't actively promote hate speech nor violence towards ethnic minorities, because it doesn't. Try posting something like that in social media (like a white supremacist would do in the USA) and some nice police officer is gonna come to your home to call you for a lengthy interrogation mate.

[Boredfrom]

The Chinese thinking the rest of the world is as fucked up as their government.