Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[Averon]

Community Thread:

A reminder that Cyberpunk was not going to be quarantined and wasn't ultimately done so due to the game itself. Community who didn't want it to happen messed it up for themselves in that whole debacle.

WW stuff probably would have just been quarantined and not banned virtually outright too if people didn't go out of their way to antagonize/troll those who took issue with the property.

Pretty blatant revisionist history going on. 

TransEra--led by Kyuuji who new game plus'd Cyberpunk--spent weeks on a campaign to get the game banned. The person who was assigned to make the OT of the game, Black Chamber, was railroaded as some secret MAGA double agent who infiltrated ResetERA to spread transphobia via Cyberpunk. Their "proof" being a joke Black Chamber made about Trump after digging through his social media accounts. TransEra purposely misconstrued that joke as him praising Trump. That was the excuse used to get Black Chamber banned and the game quarantined.

The "community" just wanted to talk about Cyberpunk and ignored TranEra's constant attempts at thread derails, which just further enraged them.

[Jansen]

Fuck off 

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-do-you-think-about-this-situation.1484986/

I'm curious what folks think about this situation.



I have a former coworker (a boss) who retired a few years ago. For context, he was about 61 when he retired. I'll be vague and say he lived on the west coast of North America, and then he went over to live in the Philippines. He had a previous marriage and one grown child from that marriage. The marriage ended up leading to an amicable divorce, and he actually had to raise the child mostly on his own. His wife was part of their lives, of course, but she actually was sort of a military person who never really wanted a kid. So he had to step up and take a lead there. Both of them were present as parents, but it was really him being a larger part of the daughter's life. As said, after the separation, they were able to divide up the house and their assets reasonably. He's supported his kid all the way (now in their 20s), but there's been some tension there. I think the marriage was probably in the 20-25 year range, all told.



He's always been a gambler, and so I think going over to places like Macau enticed him. What I can't speak to is any other proclivities or questionable activities. On some level, it seemed like this guy wanted to go over to the Philippines and have a do-over. He had taken several trips there before on his own. This was later in their marriage.



Flash forward to now. He comes back to the west coast after a few years living in the Philippines, as he'd met someone there. Maybe at local Starbucks? I was never completely sure. I'm not great at judging ages from certain cultures, but from photos, I'd say she's likely in the 30-40 range. I've now met her briefly, and that seems about right. For reference, he'd be now 65-66. Of course, I say all this now because they've had a kid over there, and now they've come back here to live on what's left of his pension, etc. Ironically, he actually applied to a lower-level job at my workplace (even though he previously was the director) just to get some money for them to have a stable couple of years. Even more ironically, he didn't actually get the job (he's on a waiting list).



From the outside, the relationship seems happy. I've seen them briefly. What do I really know, right? They have a life here, and the kid possibly has a decent future.



My issue is the stereotype and real-world issue that he furthers. He's a man who's clearly 30 years older than her, and if the roles were reversed, she couldn't reasonably birth a child if she were his age. There's a power dynamic there, where money and other factors come into play. It also furthers issues around relationship dynamics with men and the micro-attitudes that can form around going over to Asia, remarrying, having kids at that age, etc. You know, even just the idea out in our world... the 70-something actor marrying a third partner, who is way younger, and then having like a fifth child. It always feels gross.



It also deeply concerns me that his kid may be like 5-10 years old when the father has some medical issue... or worse. Maybe he's in the kid's life for 20 years, but very likely, that won't happen.



Ultimately, it's not my business. But I've been thrown off when talking to many in my life, even many women who I work with, who've normalized this. They like him, and they see it as his life. Fair enough. But this also comes from people who are of an older age and often are in similar age-gap dynamics. I think they see it as being ageist or whatever. They want to feel viable, and they see him as a decent guy in this moment. He is, for sure, but still....



What do you all think? Wack as shit? Just kinda off? Normal? Opinions welcome!



And to be clear, I'm not involving myself in that situation. More just kind of curious what people think when they hear of situtations like that, even from your own lived experience.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-a-whole-civilization-will-die-tonight-never-to-be-brought-back.1484197/page-26#post-153511360

Everybody else was instantly banned but for some reason this user is okay 

Hecht has posted in the thread and you know that John has been reported into oblivion

Member only. Cowards.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-a-whole-civilization-will-die-tonight-never-to-be-brought-back.1484197/page-27#post-153512095

 User banned (1 month): Advocating violence

This entire administration needs to take a trip to Italy, I think the Piazzale Loreto sounds like a really nice place for all of them to hang around for a while

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

Yup. Tore down that yt pusssssy

Do you need to be milked?

I'm going to assume you did not read the dm l sent you (but on the off chance you did, I apologize for using racial slurs)

Don't worry, it was exactly what I needed to bust. 

[filler]

type of propaganda bore autists fall for 


"yes, please please nuke us to freedom!"

bore autists "well it must be true because western media is reporting it as fact. iran bad, bomb them to free them. I am very smart" 

[Boredfrom]

How was the human chain? At least they give you food?

[Taco Bell Tower]

This game is partially banned on Era.

As a trans person, this is making a mountain out of a molehill. Yes, the twitter replies were pretty bad, but the guy was fired anyway. It's silly to act like an entire company full of artists are awful because they had a bad social media manager once. As for the "transphobia" in the game, Chromanticore is meant to be disturbing and fetishized. It's a cyberpunk game, and all of the in game advertisements are awful like that. It's a satire of how low corporations will stoop in the far future. The voice restrictions are a pretty obvious case of "it's much simpler to program it that way" and not much more.

Besides, the game has open gay and transgender representation with it's characters and writing, and it's treated as a completely ordinary part of life in Night City. Characters aren't player sexual. Gay men are gay, and lesbians are lesbian. V, no matter what choices the player makes, is canonically bisexual.

Cyberpunk is one of the most openly LGBT AAA games right now, and while some shitheads (including their ex social media manager) enjoy that for fetishized reasons, it's seems unreasonable to get all purity police over the game.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-blog-%E2%80%94-cyberpunk-2077-gets-ps5-pro-enhanced-out-april-8th.1484635/post-153516877

Noctis Winters

Well fucking said.
I'm someone who identifies as non-binary but initially came out to friends as a transgirl, I also feel like I spent enough time with the game to draw my own conclusions on the art itself and see it as firmly within the genre it is named after. I don't have too much to add to what you said but if anything it helped me feel more comfortable in my own skin rather than the opposite.
There are so many things and aspects of the game, such as the ones you mentioned, that feel like it handles gender identity well enough. I mean I can even choose to have my fem-V character have a penis if I want.
I examined the complaints I saw regarding the game and decided to experience it for myself and am infinitely thankful that I did because I fell utterly in love with it, for many different reasons.

[Superstar]

type of propaganda bore autists fall for 


"yes, please please nuke us to freedom!"

bore autists "well it must be true because western media is reporting it as fact. iran bad, bomb them to free them. I am very smart" 

Are we making up hypotheticals to be mad about

[Nintex]

President Trump made a deal 

2 weeks

Everyone can now make a lot of money selling oil. Thank you President Trump

[Rendle]

I was just playing Minecraft with my buddy in Tehran he says everything is fine, the Spice will flow

[Snoopy]

Good job Dubs. Allowing chuds to freely talk about Cyberpunk. Shows how much you care about the trans community

[Shecky Fragbaum]

Good job Dubs. Allowing chuds to freely talk about Cyberpunk. Shows how much you care about the trans community

Transistor (Trans-resistor! Call him your sister! Watch your mouth, mister!) does what B-Dubs'nt:

The Walnut King
 Administrator

Following our rules about Cyberpunk 2077 threads, all discussion goes in the OT:

[benji]

It's hilarious how everyone just takes the one month advocating violence bans when there's at least one staff member, and multiple former staff members, who regularly advocate violence without punishment. A staff member with demographic armor has argued such things as:
1. We just need to murder around a thousand people to have a global utopia, we outnumber them yet nobody does this.
2. People should be bombing energy infrastructure to reverse the industrial revolution.
3. Murder is an appropriate response to someone being bigoted to you.
4. Blood feuds are an ideal form of justice.
5. The most appropriate form of pursuing political change in a Western democracy is forming a street gang funded by armed bank robberies.

Even if this was true, I'm not sure why it matters? Black Chamber was given the authority to make the OT through their dumbass process, he refused to alter his OT based on the wishes of a handful of annoying ass posters who would set their consoles back to play the game early. The entire point of the OT assignments was it killed off the constant fighting over the worthless first posts in an OT and the loser who was making it could focus on that. Kyuuji seems to be suggesting that the staff should be investigating every poster on the forum and then checking the kompromat if anyone (or at least any prominent member) wants to seize a granted privilege from them with the staff then backing this and revealing the kompromat to the community. Indeed, the staff's failure to do this is the justification for TransEra doing it even though it's prohibited in all other instances and justification for the deliberate misinterpretation of a tweet used by TransEra to force the staff to do its bidding. Something that is actually untenable considering that members have been permabanned for complaining about Nepenthe off site and that staff would later permaban people for bringing Nepenthe's Twitter posts supporting genocide to the forum. Including using the latter as further justification to engage in greater purges including permabanning people for joking in private chat rooms.

I can never not harp enough on how all these people are petty authoritarians who want a police state run by themselves and so gravitate towards institutions that allow them to pursue this against some niche community that's ideologically trapped into not being able to say no.

[Taco Bell Tower]

Good job Dubs. Allowing chuds to freely talk about Cyberpunk. Shows how much you care about the trans community

I think Dubs has a transexual fetish.  I think he mentioned how he wanted to bang transexuals so bad at GAF

[HaughtyFrank]

Community Thread:

A reminder that Cyberpunk was not going to be quarantined and wasn't ultimately done so due to the game itself. Community who didn't want it to happen messed it up for themselves in that whole debacle.

WW stuff probably would have just been quarantined and not banned virtually outright too if people didn't go out of their way to antagonize/troll those who took issue with the property.

Pretty blatant revisionist history going on. 

TransEra--led by Kyuuji who new game plus'd Cyberpunk--spent weeks on a campaign to get the game banned. The person who was assigned to make the OT of the game, Black Chamber, was railroaded as some secret MAGA double agent who infiltrated ResetERA to spread transphobia via Cyberpunk. Their "proof" being a joke Black Chamber made about Trump after digging through his social media accounts. TransEra purposely misconstrued that joke as him praising Trump. That was the excuse used to get Black Chamber banned and the game quarantined.

The "community" just wanted to talk about Cyberpunk and ignored TranEra's constant attempts at thread derails, which just further enraged them.

"Cyberpunk wasn't banned because people demanded it to be banned, it was banned because people didn't want it to get banned"

These fucking clowns

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/digital-foundry-hands-on-with-dlss-5-our-first-look-at-nvidias-next-gen-photo-realistic-lighting.1464238/page-133

This is like their own version of gamer gate

[Snoopy]

If it helps, Alex, Tom and I are completely against it. We do NOT agree with this. At all. The complete opposite.

Those DF guys need to stop posting on ree

[Cauliflower Of Love]

annual reminder to clear out the dms in the riotious account

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/removal-of-a-sitting-us-president-from-office-a-quick-primer.1484677/#post-153509536

Great post.

There is of course another way for him to be removed, too.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

with a mortar launcher.-

First fucking reply, coming in with the real answer


Come on McDonald's, do your thing

Mario works for McDonalds now?

Thread nuked.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anticipatory_obedience

[Besticus Maximus]

Kyuuji with the who me bullshit, fuck you, you got cyberpunk and that dude banned because you were getting insufficient attention and you're crazy

[Nintex]

aaaaaand.... the strait is closed again

[killamajig]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-do-you-think-about-this-situation.1484986/

I'm curious what folks think about this situation.



I have a former coworker (a boss) who retired a few years ago. For context, he was about 61 when he retired. I'll be vague and say he lived on the west coast of North America, and then he went over to live in the Philippines. He had a previous marriage and one grown child from that marriage. The marriage ended up leading to an amicable divorce, and he actually had to raise the child mostly on his own. His wife was part of their lives, of course, but she actually was sort of a military person who never really wanted a kid. So he had to step up and take a lead there. Both of them were present as parents, but it was really him being a larger part of the daughter's life. As said, after the separation, they were able to divide up the house and their assets reasonably. He's supported his kid all the way (now in their 20s), but there's been some tension there. I think the marriage was probably in the 20-25 year range, all told.



He's always been a gambler, and so I think going over to places like Macau enticed him. What I can't speak to is any other proclivities or questionable activities. On some level, it seemed like this guy wanted to go over to the Philippines and have a do-over. He had taken several trips there before on his own. This was later in their marriage.



Flash forward to now. He comes back to the west coast after a few years living in the Philippines, as he'd met someone there. Maybe at local Starbucks? I was never completely sure. I'm not great at judging ages from certain cultures, but from photos, I'd say she's likely in the 30-40 range. I've now met her briefly, and that seems about right. For reference, he'd be now 65-66. Of course, I say all this now because they've had a kid over there, and now they've come back here to live on what's left of his pension, etc. Ironically, he actually applied to a lower-level job at my workplace (even though he previously was the director) just to get some money for them to have a stable couple of years. Even more ironically, he didn't actually get the job (he's on a waiting list).



From the outside, the relationship seems happy. I've seen them briefly. What do I really know, right? They have a life here, and the kid possibly has a decent future.



My issue is the stereotype and real-world issue that he furthers. He's a man who's clearly 30 years older than her, and if the roles were reversed, she couldn't reasonably birth a child if she were his age. There's a power dynamic there, where money and other factors come into play. It also furthers issues around relationship dynamics with men and the micro-attitudes that can form around going over to Asia, remarrying, having kids at that age, etc. You know, even just the idea out in our world... the 70-something actor marrying a third partner, who is way younger, and then having like a fifth child. It always feels gross.



It also deeply concerns me that his kid may be like 5-10 years old when the father has some medical issue... or worse. Maybe he's in the kid's life for 20 years, but very likely, that won't happen.



Ultimately, it's not my business. But I've been thrown off when talking to many in my life, even many women who I work with, who've normalized this. They like him, and they see it as his life. Fair enough. But this also comes from people who are of an older age and often are in similar age-gap dynamics. I think they see it as being ageist or whatever. They want to feel viable, and they see him as a decent guy in this moment. He is, for sure, but still....



What do you all think? Wack as shit? Just kinda off? Normal? Opinions welcome!



And to be clear, I'm not involving myself in that situation. More just kind of curious what people think when they hear of situtations like that, even from your own lived experience.

Thread locked due to OP's request.

[Taco Bell Tower]

If it helps, Alex, Tom and I are completely against it. We do NOT agree with this. At all. The complete opposite.

Those DF guys need to stop posting on ree

Imagine being that terrified from getting cancelled by manchildren 

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/digital-foundry-hands-on-with-dlss-5-our-first-look-at-nvidias-next-gen-photo-realistic-lighting.1464238/page-133#post-153537955

The more I think about it, them more I don't get it.
Why does he talk about AI like he's defending his child's honor or something?
Why go on these long rants doubling down on how everyone is wrong and AI is his precious little baby?

It's very weird to talk about tech the way he talks about AI.

And it's not just him. That's how so many AI bros talk. Even if you think it's the greatest thing ever, it's still just tech. It's very weird to talk about it like they do.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-do-you-think-about-this-situation.1484986/#post-153532183

The underlying idea is always that you know better than the woman what's good for her, and that it's always an unhealthy relationship, that there is too much of a power dynamic at play yaddi-yadda... It is, in fact, sexist and borderline misogynistic. Why is the assumption that the woman is too immature ? That she is exploited ? People make their own choices and also, making mistakes because you're in love with someone is universal and touches everyone indiscriminately.

[Nintex]

So many people are against AI, it's kind of crazy.

Imagine if this happened when the car became big

FUCK YOU HENRY FORD NAZI TERF HORSE LIVES MATTER  

FUCK OFF TRUCKS I'M JUST GOING TO KEEP CARRYING MY STUFF 

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-do-you-think-about-this-situation.1484986/

[QUOTE="Wigdogger, post: 153524623, member: 18014"]

My issue is the stereotype and real-world issue that he furthers. He's a man who's clearly 30 years older than her, and if the roles were reversed, she couldn't reasonably birth a child if she were his age. There's a power dynamic there, where money and other factors come into play. It also furthers issues around relationship dynamics with men and the micro-attitudes that can form around going over to Asia, remarrying, having kids at that age, etc. You know, even just the idea out in our world... the 70-something actor marrying a third partner, who is way younger, and then having like a fifth child. It always feels gross.

Wait, is he upset by biology?