Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[Potato]

If you need any more evidence that Israel is completely self-interested in this adventure, remember that they never factored in the control of the Straits of Hormuz in their planning.

[Boredfrom]

I honestly don't think the US can hold out that long. It's not a matter of months but weeks that the ripple effect on prices for both energy and everything that depends on it start an exponential climb throughout the summer- and that's if the recent peace talks had gone well.

Trump single handedly found a way to make sure every single person in the country has him to blame for a direct and very material worsening of their lives.

There will be some MAGATs that never leave him, we know this. It's why the Jonestown Massacre was a massacre. It's just the nature of cults. But with every passing day, this crisis will cut Trump supporters down to the absolute bone, reaching that absolute bottom of the floor low point of 27% approval.

When every Republican representative has their phone ringing off the hook from constituents down to their last dollar, that kind of pressure becomes impossible to ignore- and the discussions to trigger the 25th amendment and install Vance as his replacement will become very real.

Basically they're about to have their own Biden-swap moment. The right wing podcast pundits turning on him is the canary in the coal mine for the national MAGA movement to begin its detachment from Trump.

That's the best case scenario.

Worst case is the desperation for a win out of this pushing him to consider nukes. It's honestly my biggest fear and it's becoming harder to convince myself this isn't the likelier outcome.

Either way there's no way this goes beyond another year of it. Americans won't survive that. Something has to give way before hand.

 

If the dude pulled a TACO (  sorry, Bire) and sounds like he is not willing to go take the political burden of going scorched earth on Iran… why do you think he is going to use nukes?

What you should worry is when he is forced to bite the bullet and put tropes on the ground.

Doubtful. Not only is waging war expensive (especially when you're not concerned with costs of munitions/equipment etc.), 25% of oil exports go through the strait and Trump can certainly try to spin up local drilling as much as he wants, but it takes time to set up and gas prices will be absolutely fucked not just over the world, but in the U.S as well.

Take Vietnam and in addition to the moral quandary, war crimes etc. and huge cost of waging war, you have now made everything more expensive as you wage your expensive-ass war which lost the public's support.

Trump is an absolute mad king, but if this war hasn't ended by July I feel he will never show his face in public out of fear of assassination attempts multiplying.

That would require shame, self awareness and the secret service becoming incompetent.

[Boredfrom]

Trump has never made secret that he thinks all wars can be won with pure blitz tactics (and every one else was chicken cowards for not trying), while admitting he saw USA involvement on past conflicts as cynical and transactional (not entirely wrong, but you don’t want a politician that is so openly cynical about it, specially one this dumb and malicious). I remember an interview on 2016 where he said this dumb shit and I knew he was going to fuck it up big time. And it was always weird seeing how many people were convinced he was not going to enter on a war just because he disliked “prolonged ones”. 

Dude always had bellicose aspirations, you just needed to hear his real opinions about war (we should have taken the oil  ) and the military (I don’t like losers).

[Snoopy]

A Slappy Fight. A Pile On, And A Creepy Little Stalker With A Dossier.

I hope this doesn't escalate further.

You know... You aren't very slick. Everyone can see you stanning for AI in other threads

Can you expand on that.

I hope we don't see any more incidents of people throwing molotovs or firing guns at someone's home.

Can you expand on that someone?

Anyone, including Altman.

I can't believe what this forum has come to that offering a contrary opinion to "I hope for more violence" is somehow treated as a controversial gotcha.

You don't give a shit about the suffering this piece of shit has and is causing to both people and the environment. He's a sociopath. If you had any semblance of empathy, you'd reserve it for the people whose lives this fucker has ruined/is ruining.

So fucking spare me your bullshit "what has this forum come to".

You're not fooling anyone.

I'll go even further. If this thread isn't cleaned up I am deactivating my account and I'm done with this site. Advocating for violence is against the rules. I do not wish to be associated with a site that doesn't enforce that policy.

Your .08 posts a day will be missed.

And nothing of value was lost...

Bye Felicia

Given your post history of defending AI and the AI companies, in this case you not caring about the negative impact of AI on the middle and lower classes that Sam Altman has had and focusing on not wanting his precious houses to get hurt by this retaliation, is just coming across as concern trolling.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/someone-threw-a-molotov-cocktail-at-sam-altman%E2%80%99s-home.1488097/page-4#post-153709480

[yetanotheraccountholyf]

AOC is one of those people who "looks like that"

I don't know how to explain it, it must be one of those ancient ingrained ooga booga caveman things

you can look at her face and her eyes and it's just like oh no

yeah man might be a time to lay off twitter or kiwifarms or whatever brainrot you’re consuming

[Straight Edge]

A Slappy Fight. A Pile On, And A Creepy Little Stalker With A Dossier.

I hope this doesn't escalate further.

You know... You aren't very slick. Everyone can see you stanning for AI in other threads

Can you expand on that.

I hope we don't see any more incidents of people throwing molotovs or firing guns at someone's home.

Can you expand on that someone?

Anyone, including Altman.

I can't believe what this forum has come to that offering a contrary opinion to "I hope for more violence" is somehow treated as a controversial gotcha.

You don't give a shit about the suffering this piece of shit has and is causing to both people and the environment. He's a sociopath. If you had any semblance of empathy, you'd reserve it for the people whose lives this fucker has ruined/is ruining.

So fucking spare me your bullshit "what has this forum come to".

You're not fooling anyone.

I'll go even further. If this thread isn't cleaned up I am deactivating my account and I'm done with this site. Advocating for violence is against the rules. I do not wish to be associated with a site that doesn't enforce that policy.

Your .08 posts a day will be missed.

And nothing of value was lost...

Bye Felicia

Given your post history of defending AI and the AI companies, in this case you not caring about the negative impact of AI on the middle and lower classes that Sam Altman has had and focusing on not wanting his precious houses to get hurt by this retaliation, is just coming across as concern trolling.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/someone-threw-a-molotov-cocktail-at-sam-altman%E2%80%99s-home.1488097/page-4#post-153709480

Did they just memory hole this?

[clockwork5]

I love watching them set themselves up for disappointment years in advance.

Did they forget that Missouri, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, N/S Dakota, Montana, Wyoming, Alaska, Louisiana, Utah, and West Virginia all have zero chance of producing a win for AOC?

Do they think only blue states vote in the primaries?

She is a representative in Congress. Let’s take a tally of all of the sitting US representatives to be elected as president… James Garfield… good luck lefties

[Uncle]

AOC is one of those people who "looks like that"

I don't know how to explain it, it must be one of those ancient ingrained ooga booga caveman things

you can look at her face and her eyes and it's just like oh no

yeah man might be a time to lay off twitter or kiwifarms or whatever brainrot you’re consuming

bro like I said I've met people like this since I was in grade school, I barely knew the internet existed at the time

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/someone-threw-a-molotov-cocktail-at-sam-altman%E2%80%99s-home.1488097/page-4#post-153709480

Did they just memory hole this?

Yep, deleted again because they all fantasized about killing Altman. Unfortunately now hard to check if bans were dished out

[Besticus Maximus]

What could it possibly be about Sam Altman that means he deserves to be killed by a mob with fire? The mind truly boggles, if only there was something that animates these people so 

[Snoopy]

If I was going to fire bomb Sam Altman’s house I like to think I’d be cool about it. I’d wear a Steve Jobs t shirt and draw a smiley face on the bottle. Nobody could be mad about that.

[HaughtyFrank]

What could it possibly be about Sam Altman that means he deserves to be killed by a mob with fire? The mind truly boggles, if only there was something that animates these people so 

"Local homophobe upset over being confused with anti-ai activist"

[Jansen]

You can ban threads calling for violence against people like Altman, while also still banning threads that push propoganda of AI being a good thing.

[Uncle]

I don't know why they're so concerned about condemning violence, there are plenty of sites that get by endorsing it just fine

   

https://imgur.com/gallery/goooood-goood-Dgdpuac

   

   

   

[JoeBoy101]

You can ban threads calling for violence against people like Altman, while also still banning threads that push propoganda of AI being a good thing.

I love how this Chungus acts like one is comparable to the other.

“Sure, he needs the guillotine! Do you know what kind of pictures genAI makes?!?”

All understanding and a little bit of chaos until it’s someone they have any kind of issue with, regardless of the severity. Then, the gloves are off. 

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

Metaphorically speaking of course. As it would just mean more strongly worded posts against a victim and praising attempted arsonists and murders. 

It’s not like these pillars of lassitude would do anything else.

[BIONIC]

In case you're wondering where Era is at in the spiral into AI-related toxicity thanks to garbage enforcement of site policy on the subject, here's a days-old, multi-page thread of people openly celebrating arson, calling for more, and attacking those hoping it stops. The inevitable result of mods repeatedly signaling they'll be lenient on blatant violations of site rules if they agree with the sentiment. That's on top of that thread full of people praising an Indiana politician's house getting shot up over data centers, where the thread was quietly hidden rather than any public comment or action being taken against users condoning political violence. Not surprising that nuance and knowledgeability of AI discussion has fallen off a cliff when mods tolerate users calling for firebombing and shooting up the homes of people involved (including their families), with the only pushback ITT being against those saying violence is wrong. I thought "no advocating violence" was one of the most ironclad rules here, but apparently not. (Also, plenty of people have caught bans for "Luigiposting" -- why protect offenders in this case?) And why no big public warning here?)

Will the guidelines be updated to say that "Advocating murder will always result in a permanent ban, unless the mods agree the target deserves it"? Will flagrant violations on other topics get the "quietly delete thread to CYA after a few days but otherwise no action" treatment? Or will this be yet another example of a site rule being openly violated, reports ignored for days on end, and callouts of the moderation failure totally unaddressed in the one thread designed for doing so?

I've no love for Altman (or some random state level politico), and don't expect anyone to be rending garments for them. But talking like it would be good for them to be killed in a violent attack on their homes is fucked up -- and so is not properly enforcing rules against it even after being reported.

Posted 1 minute and ago and it seems both threads are now gone.

I guess mods can work fast when they want to.

You probably could have made your entire point without this. Considering you've been trying to usher in the idea of AI discussion outside of the containment thread for quite some time now, this kind of undercuts everything else you're saying. The thing about having a history of trying to get AI discussion out into general discussion is that it follows you around. 100% of your posts going back one year are either pro-AI or an wanting to expand AI discussion.

I think the mods purging the threads makes it pretty clear how they feel about those threads existing on the website.

You can ban threads calling for violence against people like Altman, while also still banning threads that push propoganda of AI being a good thing.

My argument has been for mods to consistently enforce the policy as written: shut down and redirect all AI threads, unless it concerns major news and has been pre-cleared. The arbitrary enforcement of that on substantive threads I and others have written while ignoring literally hundreds of heated non-news threads shitting up the front page on a daily basis is frustrating. I've made my thoughts on the industry clear; continuing to paint me as a techbro booster is just illustrative of my point on how this approach collapses nuance. I'm calling it again because the capricious enforcement has crossed the line into giving a pass to calls for violence.

And yeah, mods contemptuously flouting their own rules and ignoring criticism and confusion over it does make one want to participate less, great job.

that molotov one stayed up for several days without mod intervention until there was a second attack on the guy's house, which was similarly cheered on until the thread was just deleted altogether (not even locked) without explanation.

probably not the textbook way to handle it if that's the actual policy.

Isn't the problem with AI threads more about people in the community not knowing how to behave and it resulting in endless shit flinging? Ignoring threads that talk about AI wouldn't be hard but with people now openly wishing for assassinations I'm not surprised.

I mean when people here have been directly negatively affected by AI in various ways, it makes sense that more and more people are going to "shit fling" against people propping it up. Not talking about the calls for violence, but calling out AI as bullshit and stuff like that seems fair to me.

I mean it's simpler than that. It's just two-pronged.

AI discussion and AI positivity is overwhelmingly rejected by Era and we just don't want it here. There's a containment thread for AI folks to play around in, hype AI up, talk about what excites them with new articles, etc. As a result, when AI discussion breaks out of containment, nearly everyone has a zero tolerance policy. People will whine that it's a "complex" topic that requires "nuanced discussions" and it's like ... no. There's no interest in sane-washing the pro-AI side of the discussion. You'll even see mods being like "fuck AI" and those two words contain all of the emotion that comes from having the knowledge of just how truly destructive AI is in a multi-faceted way. There's no expectation for somebody to expand beyond that point.

And then there's the idea of advocating for violence, especially against public figures. That's always been off-limits and the tone of the threads was enough to where they got destroyed. There are plenty of people who have gotten banned for advocating for violence where AI isn't even in the discussion at all.

i think the issue here is more that they stayed up too long and then were belatedly swept under the rug without explanation. how are people who were enthusiastically posting in those threads even supposed to know that their tone wasn't okay?

(personally i think "molotov cocktails are bad" is a fairly uncontroversial position but it seems not everyone agrees)

Maybe the ones who took the discussion over the line ate bans? I don't know. What's the staff going to do otherwise or on top of that? Make an announcement that off-limits behavior is still off-limits?

You'd think so, but the Kimberly Clark thread makes it clear that lots of people are not only ok with that sort of thing, but look down on those who aren't.

maybe they did, but we have no idea because the thread got nuked!

i think just locking it the usual way with a clear explanation why would get through to more people.

Yeah but there's clearly a reason why they felt that having the thread gone completely was the more appropriate action. Locking it down, putting a mod message on it, and being done with it wasn't the call for them. As for whoever needs a ban, they'll handle whoever needs handling, that's a guarantee.

No, those threads must be nuked. It's not just the users who get in trouble for threads like that, the site itself is in danger with them. Zero tolerance is the only option.

If there's to be an explanation after the fact, it has to be a site-wide message or similar. The thread simply cannot be allowed to exist in a public-facing area.

[Jansen]

I need to be frank, there was no discussion about removing those particular threads because it is not a matter of us having a choice or a matter of internal policy making when it comes to threads like those. Straight up, we cannot be having people on this site advocating for murder or political violence.



If we allow that to happen one or more of the following can and will happen: we can lose the server host we have an need to find a far more expensive one in a not so nice part of the world, we can be completely demonetized and completely lose the ability to pay for a server host or any of the other things we do need to pay for to keep the site up, we can be deindexed (taken off search engines entirely) which can more or less just as bad as getting shut down entirely, and all of that is ignoring the elephant in the room: if someone takes the sort of action that people in that thread are cheering on and advocating for as a result of the thread and those posts, we're done. Straight up, there would be no recovery, we may as well nuke the servers and the lives of the people running this place would be ruined.



Seriously, if someone, as a result of posts on this forum, decides to go and molotov Sam Altman, what do you think is going to happen to literally everyone who posts here? It ain't gonna be good, that's for damn sure.



We cannot be having people go "Yes, yes, political violence is the way" because that will literally get us collectively nuked. And, for those who are going to claim I am making this up, I already field emails about the way some of you guys talk about political violence. I already have to write entire essays explaining how we already ban that behavior and can't see everything. This isn't a "Dubs is opposed to political violence on a philosophical level because he's a dirty lib" it's literally "We will potentially get shut down if we allow people to make posts glorifying political violence."



And, please, for the love of all that is holy, report posts that break the rules even if you see us action another post in the thread because we will not see everything.

Gobble them balls bitch

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pragmata-review-thread.1489576/page-7#post-153721555

You'll never believe who's using everyone's favorite social media site to start an outrage brigade

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pragmata-review-thread.1489576/page-7#post-153721555

You'll never believe who's using everyone's favorite social media site to start an outrage brigade

When i was at sgf I did an informal poll of my friends who played the demo, the women I spoke to mentioned Diana was weird, the men did not.  That stuck with me.

What's supposed to be the conclusion from this? That women think more about imaginary pedos than men?

Edit: Why did she CC Alyssa Mercante?

[simiansmarts]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pragmata-review-thread.1489576/page-7#post-153721555

You'll never believe who's using everyone's favorite social media site to start an outrage brigade

I've seen tabloid reporters that are less petty/obsessed than doops

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/there-are-no-perfect-countries-but-singapore-seems-to-be-avoid-the-mess-of-the-anglo-sphere.1483396/page-2#post-153458554

 User Banned (1 Week): inflammatory Generalization

They are very proud of making the green as green as possible, which is amazing, but proud at the same time of having F1 races in the city, like hey, this goes against their environmental politics...

I enjoyed my holiday there, but gosh, due to white colonialism that country has no personality nor identity at all. I still don't get how the hell they consider themselves a country when they don't have their own culture, language, or anything else than belongs to them, just a city

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pragmata-review-thread.1489576/page-13#post-153728461

[JoeBoy101]

I already field emails about the way some of you guys talk about political violence. I already have to write entire essays explaining how we already ban that behavior and can't see everything.

Hurm. If only there was a tool he could use towards users advocating as such. Curses and hellfire, how has he been thrust into such a powerless position?!

…

I dunno, Dubs. Maybe letting the most toxic people rule over threads cheering on horrors and death towards imagined and/or ideological foes was not the most prudent plan. 

“B-but muh genocide?!?”

You let them de-humanize and straw man every foe to the furthest point of extremity, and are then shocked when they feel the next step is violent rhetoric. That’s like being shocked a traffic light will eventually turn red.

As much as I find this fool having to write essays on how ‘not bad’ his users are and that ‘they didn’t really mean it’, hysterical and karmatic, one of two things will happen. One: the teacher will get sick of asking and just outright punish you with more than an essay assignment. Or two: the classroom devolves into such a state, that they can’t ignore it anymore.

That’s the most amusing thing to me. Despite Blueballs and morons on that board that decry us trolls here, we are on the whole, far more welcoming, agreeable, and positive than the wasteoid, doom scrolling, toxic parasites that inhabit over there.

[Snoopy]

If I was going to shoot up Sam Altman’s house I would be really cool about it. I’d make sure he was home before opening fire so he could see all the cool bullet effects. Then I’d put up a big sign that said, “I’m doing this for your benefit Sam. This is a learning experience. Do better.”

[benji]

There will be some MAGATs that never leave him, we know this. It's why the Jonestown Massacre was a massacre. It's just the nature of cults.

Most of the people at Jonestown were murdered, they weren't given a choice not to die.

If we allow that to happen one or more of the following can and will happen: we can lose the server host we have an need to find a far more expensive one in a not so nice part of the world, we can be completely demonetized and completely lose the ability to pay for a server host or any of the other things we do need to pay for to keep the site up, we can be deindexed (taken off search engines entirely) which can more or less just as bad as getting shut down entirely, and all of that is ignoring the elephant in the room: if someone takes the sort of action that people in that thread are cheering on and advocating for as a result of the thread and those posts, we're done. Straight up, there would be no recovery, we may as well nuke the servers and the lives of the people running this place would be ruined.

Seriously, if someone, as a result of posts on this forum, decides to go and molotov Sam Altman, what do you think is going to happen to literally everyone who posts here? It ain't gonna be good, that's for damn sure.

We cannot be having people go "Yes, yes, political violence is the way" because that will literally get us collectively nuked. And, for those who are going to claim I am making this up, I already field emails about the way some of you guys talk about political violence. I already have to write entire essays explaining how we already ban that behavior and can't see everything. This isn't a "Dubs is opposed to political violence on a philosophical level because he's a dirty lib" it's literally "We will potentially get shut down if we allow people to make posts glorifying political violence."

He has to write essays to MOBA talking about how he's incompetent?

It's funny how much he makes up lies about this shit, I just can't tell if he actually believes it or it's just lies. 

You cannot get in legal trouble for any of this. It's not illegal. No, nothing will happen to "literally everyone who posts [on Era]" if someone on Era commits a crime. This is not remotely how the law works. It's how Era wishes the law works, but they're a bunch of totalitarian cops. Thankfully not even our real world totalitarians are as nuts or stupid as they are.

[HaughtyFrank]

Gobble them balls bitch

Just zero explanation why those threads then stayed open for days. Full of shit as always

[benji]

You guys don't understand, they can't see everything. It has nothing to do with how they'd have to hand out bans to prominent members who will then spend literally hours complaining like they did over the Israel=Nazi comparison bans just last week.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/how-likely-would-you-be-to-attend-an-era-meetup-that-somehow-allowed-every-member-worldwide-to-attend.1489267/page-3#post-153714820

nah not my vibe, but let me know if there's a sex party in the hotel afterwards

Era orgy.

[simiansmarts]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/people-are-going-to-die-one-piece-has-a-collab-meal-with-popeyes.1490026/ 
 
The fat fuck comicbook mod used an AI slop photo for his "funny" OP 
 

Did this man generate his own AI art for this thread.

How can I even trust that his comic panels are even real now?

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/have-you-ever-fallen-out-of-love-with-a-piece-of-media.1488529/page-3#post-153733411

Harry Potter. I really enjoyed harry potter while the series/movies were originally releasing. and I was excited to finally go to Islands of Adventure and ride the cool harry potter ride. and my fat ass didn't fit. Just didn't fit, you can't ride this ride, no options. I rode every single other ride at Universal studios/Islands of adventure (pre veloci-coaster, Hulk was in maintenance but I rode Dueling dragons and Rip, Ride, rock-it!). And that did it for me. I was fat, but far less fat than I am now. I still have no problem riding any ride at disney. but I could not fit in that harry potter ride. I was embarassed and unhappy. Finding out that JKR is a transphobe and constantly fucking with her series in every single worst possible way. figures.