Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[killamajig]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/just-found-a-wallet-with-at-least-7000-in-it.1503502/page-5#post-154301755

someone asked when planetsmasher would show up with his story...

When I was a teenager, I found $500 cash on the ground at a hotel at Disney World on a school trip. Almost got into a fistfight with a classmate over it.

Not the millions we thought he would claim but the disney fight is a nice bit of bullshit

[Uncle]

Ow, the edge!

 it's not edgy in the least

this is you ascribing morality to a choice that has nothing to do with that

as stated earlier, you make countless choices all the time NOT to help with various global problems that you could theoretically help with, and your help would easily contribute to lives being saved, but you choose not to, and that choice is understandable because we all have to live our lives

I'm not calling you a terrible person for not flying halfway around the world to help with some humanitarian crisis, nor should you feel guilt for not doing that

there are blue buttons all over that you could push, but instead you push the red button, and that's no personal failing

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/current-discourse-red-or-blue-button-era.1501903/page-22#post-154320430

The orange site poll for this is flipped with roughly 60% choosing red.

Enjoy that fact red button pushers lol

                  Cross site drama

[Boredfrom]

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Ow, the edge!

 it's not edgy in the least

this is you ascribing morality to a choice that has nothing to do with that

as stated earlier, you make countless choices all the time NOT to help with various global problems that you could theoretically help with, and your help would easily contribute to lives being saved, but you choose not to, and that choice is understandable because we all have to live our lives

I'm not calling you a terrible person for not flying halfway around the world to help with some humanitarian crisis, nor should you feel guilt for not doing that

there are blue buttons all over that you could push, but instead you push the red button, and that's no personal failing

I was not calling you a terrible person. I just disliked how fast you went with “I will not feel bad”  .

Because, guess what, I agree with you overall. I just disagree in not feeling bad and with guilt, specially since I know people that will choose blue. 

We select red buttons all the time, but almost never we feel the consequences that close.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/thank-god-for-futa-in-this-current-job-market.1504741/

How long until it's closed, and the op banned for boys club rhetoric?

[DavidCroquet]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/spiders-greedfall-steelrising-is-shutting-down.1504234/

this gen is beyond ruthless.

they were AA powerhouse, rip.

Holy historical revisionism, dudes took until PS4 to release mediocre received games until Greedfall.

I’m of the galaxy brain take that Greedfall is exactly what ultimately killed them. Their games prior to that were linear-ish, wrpg-stripped-of-all-fluff games with meaningful character build choices and a narrative focus.

Greedfall took that and put it in a giant sandbox…which worked (but not for me) exactly once. I think they had their eyes set higher and bigger than what they were good at—including other random genres like SteelRising—and it was just an icarus scenario from there.

Technomancer was good! Of Orcs and Men was very good! I’m bummed they are closed but its pretty obvious to me what happened here.

[Uncle]

Because, guess what, I agree with you overall. I just disagree in not feeling bad and with guilt, specially since I know people that will choose blue. 

We select red buttons all the time, but almost never we feel the consequences that close.

alternatively, you have family and friends who will select red, and wouldn't it be awful to feel like you were baiting them into risking their lives for you because they think you would select blue, that you would be responsible for their deaths

the idea that all your family and friends end up killing themselves over their false expectation that they can all save each other, when you cannot possibly make a difference compared to the choices of all of humanity at once

you have family and friends who will select red, and you should feel guilty about the possibility of leaving them alone in the world without you

[Boredfrom]

I say I was going to select red, just not saying I wasn’t going to feel bad and guilty about it. I cannot blame anyone choosing either red or blue given that even the logical answer has it set of emotional consequences. Outside of the internet viral conversations, it would be a horrible and nightmarish situation.

I was just trying to say why I still don’t consider as simple decision to me, even if red is the obvious and logical safe option that everyone, in a perfect world, should choice.

[Boredfrom]

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https://www.resetera.com/threads/spiders-greedfall-steelrising-is-shutting-down.1504234/

this gen is beyond ruthless.

they were AA powerhouse, rip.

Holy historical revisionism, dudes took until PS4 to release mediocre received games until Greedfall.

I’m of the galaxy brain take that Greedfall is exactly what ultimately killed them. Their games prior to that were linear-ish, wrpg-stripped-of-all-fluff games with meaningful character build choices and a narrative focus.

Greedfall took that and put it in a giant sandbox…which worked (but not for me) exactly once. I think they had their eyes set higher and bigger than what they were good at—including other random genres like SteelRising—and it was just an icarus scenario from there.

Technomancer was good! Of Orcs and Men was very good! I’m bummed they are closed but its pretty obvious to me what happened here.

One of us:

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

I still haven’t played, I just wanted shill Teshnakerer. He has the same opinion as you. :p

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/content-warning-rape-mounting-and-overwhelming-evidence-indicates-israel-training-dogs-to-rape-palestinians.1499611/page-5#post-154165201

 User Banned (1 Month): Downplaying Nazi Atrocities

Man, like Nazi stuff, except I don't think even Nazis sunk to that level of depravity.

You'd think more Israelis would be up in arms about this stuff, like even rumours of this stuff should spur people into demanding investigations at the very least no?

Or at least to draw parallels between being de-humanized as a people themselves, and see that they are doing the same they suffered. I'd think that in itself would elicit empathy, or is it like "they drew blood, they deserve this, we can't let what happened before happen again" thing? Because it almost seems complicit in some ways. I know I remember seeing people staging protests to get Netanyahu out, but I think that was mostly because he was pushing for power and staying longer than eh should, than for the government complicity in atrocities.

I don't know man, the fact that the Israeli government is a thing in it's current form and doing what it does, and basically has so many other countries and media orgs in a vice grip, is sorta mind-blowing. Like I honestly don't even know what is even going on there.

I wonder if it was just the same in Germany at that time. It was happening, some protested, most didn't and tried to get on life with life and it just...happened until it stopped. Horrifically depressing really.

Just to be sure people don't misunderstand me. I legit don't know what's happening in Israel and the Israeli people in this. If anyone can link me to some videos on that, that would be good. When things like this happen in a country, the government usually will violently put down any resistance, but I don't think that's happening in Israel, so I don't know. Has a lot of media suppression been happening there? How's the opposition to Neytanyahu? Do they lack the power to do anything? Is there an Arab political party in Israel that can do anything?

[benji]

I mean, the red button is the safe choice… but then you realize that not everyone thinks this and are going to choose the blue button because is the moral upstanding option at first glance. So you are still going to fell guilty about it even if in theory is the genuine safest option.

I don't feel guilty about choosing not to place myself in danger

the best reframing I saw online was: there is a giant blender. some idiots are climbing into the blender. if at least 50% of people climb in, then their combined mass will be too much to properly spin and chop everyone up. alternatively, you can just walk past and not climb into the blender to begin with.

I don't feel guilty about not climbing into the blender

I mean, the red button is the safe choice… but then you realize that not everyone thinks this and are going to choose the blue button because is the moral upstanding option at first glance. So you are still going to fell guilty about it even if in theory is the genuine safest option.

Not to start this bullshit argument over here as well, but the red is the only logical answer. The choices are ‘red you live, blue you have a decent chance of dying’. The only reason people hit blue is because their belief that others will hit that button trying to save other people hitting that button. It’s collective insanity where all the people hitting blue are doing so for ‘moral standing’ when in truth they believe they are saving all the other people hitting blue. That belief ignores the fact that all those other people had the equal option to save themselves by hitting red. Blue exists solely as a trap for people to martyr themselves for ‘moral’ reasons, because that is ostensibly the reason everyone else hit the blue button.

There’s already the easiest path for success for everyone involved and that’s hitting the red button. Blue is only there for people to torture themselves with, but feel morally superior. “I’m not being selfish.”

This exercise shows the inherent problem where if someone is completely selfless and sacrifices themselves, it only drags down others trying to rescue them when, if they looked after themselves with equal fervor… everything would be fine.

…

A number of the posts in that thread (at least on the couple pages I looked at from the above link) essentially argue "and this is why we can't have nice things" because this logic inherently dismisses the possibility of a world where everyone would just pick blue. Instead trapping everyone in this hellworld where picking red is a valid choice because at least it saves yourself.

I don't think they realize this, and their similar reasoning of "until everyone is free no one is free" and demands for constantly perfect solidarity, is what makes intersectionality such a tough cookie to crack. They insist on a world in which there are no unresolvable conflicts and everyone should always act as if that's possible without bothering to determine if it is. And so, everyone should just pick blue unless they want to show their whole ass.

Like is typical, they don't realize the dishonesty they advocate for. Nepenthe even has posts lamenting that if blue wins then red voters could simply lie and say they voted for blue and get off scot free. But the need for dishonesty only stems from the moral demands they're making, there's simply no way logically to reason a different result than claiming you'd vote blue but secretly voting red. That's the "game theory" of properly hedging your bets. You win no matter what the vote. "But voting blue could save your family members who voted blue" isn't actually an option, you don't get to decide what everyone votes for, so your actual options are yourself or nobody.

"Everyone votes blue" isn't on your ballot, it's the collective result of everyone else and you don't get a say in what happens. It's the exact collective action problem of voting in general only with a threat attached to those who would be aspirational voters. Because some people will automatically choose to vote for "everyone votes blue" even though this isn't a option, some people have to die. Your voting blue won't change this outcome, it just decides on what will happen to you. People prefer to reject this and believe they can control the outcome personally rather than accept the fact that the outcome is out of their hands.

So just vote red. Don't worry about all possible worlds. You live in one where some god decided to do this to everyone.

[BIONIC]

I’d press the blue button just so I don’t have to read you fucks shitting up our highly esteemed discussions here anymore. STFU already.

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/content-warning-rape-mounting-and-overwhelming-evidence-indicates-israel-training-dogs-to-rape-palestinians.1499611/page-5#post-154165201

I wonder if it was just the same in Germany at that time. It was happening, some protested, most didn't and tried to get on life with life and it just...happened until it stopped. Horrifically depressing really.

Just to be sure people don't misunderstand me. I legit don't know what's happening in Israel and the Israeli people in this. If anyone can link me to some videos on that, that would be good. When things like this happen in a country, the government usually will violently put down any resistance, but I don't think that's happening in Israel, so I don't know. Has a lot of media suppression been happening there? How's the opposition to Neytanyahu? Do they lack the power to do anything? Is there an Arab political party in Israel that can do anything?

I don't know, maybe we can compare:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Against_the_Formation_of_Parties
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_German_parliamentary_election_and_referendum
vs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Israeli_legislative_election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Israeli_legislative_election

Hmm, I don't know, doesn't really look any different to me.

[Besticus Maximus]

Blue or red, it matters not a fucking jot, you are all Yankee Doodle fiddleydee fuckwits and your dads have all been to church by choice in their thirties Lol

[Uncle]

"But voting blue could save your family members who voted blue" isn't actually an option, you don't get to decide what everyone votes for, so your actual options are yourself or nobody.

"Everyone votes blue" isn't on your ballot, it's the collective result of everyone else and you don't get a say in what happens. It's the exact collective action problem of voting in general only with a threat attached to those who would be aspirational voters. Because some people will automatically choose to vote for "everyone votes blue" even though this isn't a option, some people have to die. Your voting blue won't change this outcome, it just decides on what will happen to you. People prefer to reject this and believe they can control the outcome personally rather than accept the fact that the outcome is out of their hands.

So just vote red. Don't worry about all possible worlds. You live in one where some god decided to do this to everyone.

it's a form of the gambler's fallacy, isn't it? the thought that taking action towards a thing you want somehow guarantees getting what you want, even if you logically understand it does not

taking action = voting, or attending a protest

there's a small part of you that says "I made it slightly more likely that I will win, and there are lots of people just like me, we're gonna win"

and then it becomes all the more devastating when you learn that you didn't really impact the result at all, sometimes resulting in complete disillusionment/radicalization, which isn't necessarily the right response either

   

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/spiders-greedfall-steelrising-is-shutting-down.1504234/

this gen is beyond ruthless.

they were AA powerhouse, rip.

Holy historical revisionism, dudes took until PS4 to release mediocre received games until Greedfall.

I’m of the galaxy brain take that Greedfall is exactly what ultimately killed them. Their games prior to that were linear-ish, wrpg-stripped-of-all-fluff games with meaningful character build choices and a narrative focus.

Greedfall took that and put it in a giant sandbox…which worked (but not for me) exactly once. I think they had their eyes set higher and bigger than what they were good at—including other random genres like SteelRising—and it was just an icarus scenario from there.

Technomancer was good! Of Orcs and Men was very good! I’m bummed they are closed but its pretty obvious to me what happened here.

It's a shame because I had a good time with greedfall but yeah instead of going bigger they should have gone smaller. I also didn't really care all that much for the setting so a sequel never had me all that interested

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/current-discourse-red-or-blue-button-era.1501903/page-22#post-154320430

The orange site poll for this is flipped with roughly 60% choosing red.

Enjoy that fact red button pushers lol

                  Cross site drama

In the 1999 movie 'The Matrix' the character of Neo makes the correct choice of taking the Red Pill. Red, like the button. Therefore the red button is the correct choice 

[Straight Edge]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-admin-going-after-disabled-adults-who-live-with-their-parents.1504327/

Transera on suicide watch

[Uncle]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-admin-going-after-disabled-adults-who-live-with-their-parents.1504327/

Transera on suicide watch

Of course they are. They're Nazis.

that's exactly what the nazis did, they gave a little less money to people living with their parents

[Boredfrom]

A rule change pushed by White House officials would slash benefits or end support for as many as 400,000 Supplemental Security Income recipients with Down syndrome, dementia and other disabilities whose parents or relatives receive SNAP benefits.

That… actually sounds bad, missing something?

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-admin-going-after-disabled-adults-who-live-with-their-parents.1504327/

Transera on suicide watch

Of course they are. They're Nazis.

that's exactly what the nazis did, they gave a little less money to people living with their parents

It is rather unfortunate that the White House sent this out as the Press Release:

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/current-discourse-red-or-blue-button-era.1501903/page-22#post-154320430

The orange site poll for this is flipped with roughly 60% choosing red.

Enjoy that fact red button pushers lol

                  Cross site drama

In the 1999 movie 'The Matrix' the character of Neo makes the correct choice of taking the Red Pill. Red, like the button. Therefore the red button is the correct choice 

You chuds are so dumb, that's a trans allegory. You can't use it to defend your fascist genocide. Learn some media literacy. If I wasn't exhausted I'd provide you some queer friendly YouTube media analysis channels.

[Garfield]

When I used to trek to the west side in Chicago for 'supplies', one day I found a crisp $20 bill in the tunnel between the blue line and red line that had been left behind by some homeless guy

[Boredfrom]

When I used to trek to the west side in Chicago for 'supplies', one day I found a crisp $20 bill in the tunnel between the blue line and red line that had been left behind by some homeless guy

And you returned it?

[DavidCroquet]

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1777402640[/url]']
https://www.resetera.com/threads/spiders-greedfall-steelrising-is-shutting-down.1504234/




Holy historical revisionism, dudes took until PS4 to release mediocre received games until Greedfall.

I’m of the galaxy brain take that Greedfall is exactly what ultimately killed them. Their games prior to that were linear-ish, wrpg-stripped-of-all-fluff games with meaningful character build choices and a narrative focus.

Greedfall took that and put it in a giant sandbox…which worked (but not for me) exactly once. I think they had their eyes set higher and bigger than what they were good at—including other random genres like SteelRising—and it was just an icarus scenario from there.

Technomancer was good! Of Orcs and Men was very good! I’m bummed they are closed but its pretty obvious to me what happened here.

One of us:

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

I still haven’t played, I just wanted shill Teshnakerer. He has the same opinion as you. :p

I played it! It's just like all of their other games...with a bunch of fetch quests and picking up crafting trash all over the place like a million other games. Basically they watered down "the good part" with a bunch of exhausted Big AAA Game Design Features™️, so the ultimate result was like..."what if a Spiders Game, but 50 hours long because of generic playtime padding shit?"

What was good about their other games were how lean they were in every respect.

[benji]

When I used to trek to the west side in Chicago for 'supplies', one day I found a crisp $20 bill in the tunnel between the blue line and red line that had been left behind by some homeless guy

You better have taken the blue line.

[Jansen]

He put the 20$ on the red line smugly knowing they'd get the biggest crack rock they'd ever seen from the runner

[killamajig]

My finding money story is when I was an arcade manager and some kid cashed in about 50 silver dollars for paper money to put in the token changer. Luckily my employee that took them was too stupid to know what they were so he just put them in the safe for me to deposit in the morning.

I figured somebody might come looking for them so I didn't deposit them or take them home. Sure enough the kids dad came in that next morning all panicked looking for them. I'm a bit of a coin collector myself and these were circulated and a bit worn so not worth much more except for their silver content. Not really a life changing amount of money so I made the dad's day and handed them over. The dad thanked me profusely and I got to give myself some good guy points.

I think silver was pretty cheap at the time (1990s) so don't ask me what I'd do if this was back in February this year.

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/thank-god-for-futa-in-this-current-job-market.1504741/

How long until it's closed, and the op banned for boys club rhetoric?

The problem is that a lot of Trans are fans of Futa… even if most Futa depictions made clear they are Biowomen with a pickle than a dude with magic sex change.

[Jansen]

All my best friends watch Bible black