Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[Boredfrom]

I love that somebody with a Guilty Gear avatar tries to guilt trip other about sexualization.  

[Uncle]

between SB and AI stuff, this is all fundamentally the same as years past with denying themselves hogwarts and whatever else is the flavor of the day, just dialed up to 11

it's all about going out of their way to find reasons to deny themselves fun, like willingly and intentionally, just because apparently it's more fun to play the social game of standing on a hill saying "look what a good boy am I, not playing the problematic game"



which just contributes further to the madness and the psychosis, as they can't find anything fun or interesting to do that isn't evil somehow, OR they enjoy it anyway in secret and harbor the stress of never being found out for their sins and crimes

they only allow themselves to play shit like Dustborn or Goodbye Volcano High or Mixtape and are forced to praise it even though it sucks because again, you have to play the social game

just an absolute recipe for dissatisfied, lonely derangement

[simiansmarts]

I love that somebody with a Guilty Gear avatar tries to guilt trip other about sexualization.  

Guilty Gear is the series with the big titty samurai and femboy with a yoyo that made so many little Liliths discover they were transbians. It's progressive ya see!!  

[Uncle]

someday most of them will be forced into being apathetic about AI because it'll be in 95% of products, much like how no one can possibly be arsed to care about things like whether the developers used Photoshop, and they'll just be performatively angry all the time but will enjoy those movies, books and games anyway

and you'll try to criticize them for enjoying AI and they'll say "um chuddie I live in a society too and even though my iphone is made through slave labor I'm still allowed to criticize the use of slave labor, I get to do whatever I want and pretend I'm not hypocritical because of the soothing salve of mr. gotcha"

[simiansmarts]

ATTENTION: local 40 year old man is VERY UPSET about opinions on a videogame forum 
 
https://www.resetera.com/threads/june-8-2026-crazy-taxi-world-tour-lead-says-generative-ai-will-continue-to-be-a-%E2%80%98hot-topic-%E2%80%99-but-they%E2%80%99re-using-it-anyway.1545076/page-5#post-156154636  
 

I'm going to stop by for the first page and it was already people that are absolutely making me very upset with this considering them from in town where the nearby water source was basically drained things to AI, y'all don't understand there's actually fucking consequences to this.. it's pathetic some defend.. FOR INSTANCE

If it really is just reference material then I can't be too mad. It's fuck gen ai for all sorts of reasons but that's about the most basic, and hard to get mad at use.

Still hope no gen ai assets are in the game. 

You know they went out of her way during the dreamcast era to have different teams go out to certain spots to take pictures of I know this because I believe the cumulative effort they took to take pictures for the region for Sonic Adventure, for instance, cost more than the entire BUDGET of NiGHTS into Dreams. They were willing to spend back then for a game they originally thought would be in the Saturn, then moved to the DC. To get people on their console on last time (until they were bought out or whatever)

The point I'm saying. They now are supported just alone with enough RGG games where they can afford to do anything of themselves and yet this isn't about getting the pictures or hiring somebody to spend a short afternoon and getting reference pictures. It's about "fuck you, why pay?" And letting a machine do their work. And the problem is it will eventually reach away where it gets into the jobs of entry of artists that will be replaced and then eventually even more creatives but seeing how lazy their machines have been lately for the gambling side of things... I should have expected this.

I'm all for holding AI usage to the fire, but backlash like this is just going to make studios be less transparent. Now granted, SEGA worded poorly in the Steam disclosure too, but I really don't see this as that big an issue. They either use AI to make placeholder assets and references... or "steal" existing images and use as placeholder assets and references. None of it is in the actual game. 

Quit trying to defend the multi-million dollar corporation that's backed up by a multi-billion dollar gambling corporation. Fuck Sega. They literally hired a known sex pest into their Yakuza games and they didn't do anything about it. Even when it was pointed out!

This is just more nonsense. But I guess they're cool because sometimes I make references to old Sonic games, right?!? The MEMES make COMPANY/BRAND fun!

So a nothing burger after all.

The way they are using AI is basically super google.

Unless actual AI slop makes it into the final game I don't care.


There is reason for it here as in every tech/software company there is reason. 

You are a terrible person that I've seen defend AI before and don't dare call this a nothing Burger seriously reeks of laziness this is like you taking a copy of other people's work on Wikipedia and slapping it together in a different order and they trying to give it to your professor and rightfully they will give you a failing grade because of plagiarism

Which THIS IS and AND is a poison. The NOTHING burger is what you'll have when we have no water to drink. But...

Yay PROGRESS.

[Taco Bell Tower]

#35
Malleymal said:
The way woke was flipped needs to be studied

I hate it so much, it's worse than the N-word to me in its insidious co-option by the worst people imaginable.

 

Holy fuck, woke is by far worst than the n-word.  By far the most insane thing to say  

[simiansmarts]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/june-8-2026-crazy-taxi-world-tour-lead-says-generative-ai-will-continue-to-be-a-%E2%80%98hot-topic-%E2%80%99-but-they%E2%80%99re-using-it-anyway.1545076/page-4 
 
uh oh, a favorite streamer of Era is showing his whole ass. 
 

Yeah, I dunno about that Max. I know we all have some blind spots but naw. 

 
from the guilty gear pfp guy 
  

Fuck my life, him too?

This is incredibly disappointing to see, especially coming from someone with an animation background and having done a ton of work on the MvC: Infinite & Beyond mod, Maximilian definitely knows how the sausage gets made.

He went super hard against the DLSS5 horror-show and SNK for the inclusion of Ronaldo in Fatal Fury. Months go by and now he's on the Crazy Taxi AI hopium and streaming the first Stellar Blade (after deciding not to initially play it because the game was giving off a ton of bad vibes from its defenders).

Sorry dude, but far as I'm concerned a man is only as good as his word, all of this backtracking just doesn't sit well with me. Time to unsubscribe.

[benji]

 
https://www.resetera.com/threads/june-8-2026-crazy-taxi-world-tour-lead-says-generative-ai-will-continue-to-be-a-%E2%80%98hot-topic-%E2%80%99-but-they%E2%80%99re-using-it-anyway.1545076/page-5#post-156154636  
 

You know they went out of her way during the dreamcast era to have different teams go out to certain spots to take pictures of I know this because I believe the cumulative effort they took to take pictures for the region for Sonic Adventure, for instance, cost more than the entire BUDGET of NiGHTS into Dreams. They were willing to spend back then for a game they originally thought would be in the Saturn, then moved to the DC. To get people on their console on last time (until they were bought out or whatever)

No wonder Isao Okawa had to give the company half a billion dollars out of his own pocket.

edit: I looked it up, Dreamcast textures were 256x256 in size.

[Boredfrom]

I love that somebody with a Guilty Gear avatar tries to guilt trip other about sexualization.  

Guilty Gear is the series with the big titty samurai and femboy with a yoyo that made so many little Liliths discover they were transbians. It's progressive ya see!!  

How many jokes about Bridget age were made over the years.

[Boredfrom]

someday most of them will be forced into being apathetic about AI because it'll be in 95% of products, much like how no one can possibly be arsed to care about things like whether the developers used Photoshop, and they'll just be performatively angry all the time but will enjoy those movies, books and games anyway

and you'll try to criticize them for enjoying AI and they'll say "um chuddie I live in a society too and even though my iphone is made through slave labor I'm still allowed to criticize the use of slave labor, I get to do whatever I want and pretend I'm not hypocritical because of the soothing salve of mr. gotcha"

 

While I don’t think AI is going away… the token maxing and server cost seems to indicate is not going to be widespread in creative fields outside office stuff.

[simiansmarts]

between SB and AI stuff, this is all fundamentally the same as years past with denying themselves hogwarts and whatever else is the flavor of the day, just dialed up to 11

it's all about going out of their way to find reasons to deny themselves fun, like willingly and intentionally, just because apparently it's more fun to play the social game of standing on a hill saying "look what a good boy am I, not playing the problematic game"



which just contributes further to the madness and the psychosis, as they can't find anything fun or interesting to do that isn't evil somehow, OR they enjoy it anyway in secret and harbor the stress of never being found out for their sins and crimes

they only allow themselves to play shit like Dustborn or Goodbye Volcano High or Mixtape and are forced to praise it even though it sucks because again, you have to play the social game

just an absolute recipe for dissatisfied, lonely derangement

I'll be completely honest, I don't believe they're actively denying themselves from playing these games. They're only doing this grandstanding to look superior on the forum and get their progressive greenlight to flame other users without potentially catching a ban. 
 
Guarantee you most of the burka brigade will be getting their preorders in for the new Stellar Blade as soon as they go live (especially Clicky)

[Uncle]

 
https://www.resetera.com/threads/june-8-2026-crazy-taxi-world-tour-lead-says-generative-ai-will-continue-to-be-a-%E2%80%98hot-topic-%E2%80%99-but-they%E2%80%99re-using-it-anyway.1545076/page-5#post-156154636  
 

You know they went out of her way during the dreamcast era to have different teams go out to certain spots to take pictures of I know this because I believe the cumulative effort they took to take pictures for the region for Sonic Adventure, for instance, cost more than the entire BUDGET of NiGHTS into Dreams. They were willing to spend back then for a game they originally thought would be in the Saturn, then moved to the DC. To get people on their console on last time (until they were bought out or whatever)

The point I'm saying. They now are supported just alone with enough RGG games where they can afford to do anything of themselves and yet this isn't about getting the pictures or hiring somebody to spend a short afternoon and getting reference pictures. It's about "fuck you, why pay?" And letting a machine do their work. And the problem is it will eventually reach away where it gets into the jobs of entry of artists that will be replaced and then eventually even more creatives but seeing how lazy their machines have been lately for the gambling side of things... I should have expected this.

so...they should intentionally spend more, ballooning the budget of the game and making it less likely to succeed financially, therefore making sequels less likely


I thought these people were against ballooning AAA budgets making the industry unsustainable and causing $80 video games?

"I will gladly pay $80 instead of $60 if no AI was used"
 

Which THIS IS and AND is a poison. The NOTHING burger is what you'll have when we have no water to drink. But...

 this shit is the worst

these people are the original "I fucking love science" crew, they are supposed to care about facts, studies, data, in order to defeat the evil irrational religion

it takes like 10 minutes of googling to find out that AI uses an absolutely negligible amount of water compared to 90% of things we do every day, like watering the lawn

and then they say shit like "yeah but we NEED agriculture to live" and don't know the first thing about all the waste in that industry, things like mountains of unnecessary subsidized corn, use-it-or-lose-it farm water policies, the insane waste in specific industries like almond farming etc.

I looked it up once and it's something like if you could just save 0.4% of the water wasted in agriculture inefficiencies, it would offset the entire AI industry completely

[benji]

Actually, how in the world is sending some dudes to take reference photos somehow more legitimate than generating them? Did they get the consent of anyone who produced the information contained in those photos?

[benji]

The AI complaints have nothing to do with AI. They're starting with the conclusion: AI bad. Then everything else is an ad hoc gish-gallop to try and justify the position they already took without any basis.

None of them have ever come up with an actual complaint towards AI because they haven't the slightest clue what it even is, you'd have to know that to raise a criticism towards it. That's how you get guys in the same exact sentence claiming it's all a fraud that doesn't do anything, will eliminate every job on the planet and also is destroying the planet at a rate faster than anything in human history. The incoherence doesn't matter because these are the same people who think the AI techbros are deliberately trying to destroy the planet so they can sit in a bunker and swim through their Scrooge McDuck vaults of US currency. 

Making rational sense undermines the real point: condemning the sinful and demonstrating piety.

[Uncle]

While I don’t think AI is going away… the token maxing and server cost seems to indicate is not going to be widespread in creative fields outside office stuff.

no, not at all

token maxing (the idea that spending more tokens means you've been more productive) is a limited practice that was field tested in a few places and it's already become obvious that it leads to company overspending and doesn't mean much, since (for example) you can just feed AI your whole codebase over and over for small questions in new chats and that will easily eat up millions of tokens for little payoff

the fact that some companies are stupid does not mean that Claude isn't insanely useful and helpful for coding, or that even if Claude specifically is expensive currently, that could just be due to Anthropic pursuing profitability, and who knows what's just around the corner on a Claude-level for coding that might be far cheaper

on the art side, Ideogram 4 just came out for local use and it's powerful, it's yet another great leap forward for local AI that puts it on the level of last gen ChatGPT (meaning, a few months ago), you can easily make complex images with it like comics with text, and it only costs what a modern PC costs

constant breakthroughs, constant cost reduction, you don't have to subscribe to the big players for insanely useful tools, anyone who is actually serious about AI imagery already uses free local tools

[Boredfrom]

Actually, how in the world is sending some dudes to take reference photos somehow more legitimate than generating them? Did they get the consent of anyone who produced the information contained in those photos?

https://global.unc.edu/our-work/carolina-global-photo-competition/ethical-global-photo-guidelines/

https://www.dostreetphotography.com/blog/law-and-ethics

[benji]

Actually, how in the world is sending some dudes to take reference photos somehow more legitimate than generating them? Did they get the consent of anyone who produced the information contained in those photos?

https://global.unc.edu/our-work/carolina-global-photo-competition/ethical-global-photo-guidelines/

https://www.dostreetphotography.com/blog/law-and-ethics

I don't get why you think linking irrelevant things that are vaguely related to the topic is a response to what people have said.

Even if these incredibly vague "guidelines" were to mean anything towards my critique and even applied to whatever reference photos they supposedly spent millions taking (that are probably not even of people considering the worlds of Sonic Adventure), you'd have to demonstrate that random ass members of Sonic Team followed them back in 1997.

[Uncle]

Actually, how in the world is sending some dudes to take reference photos somehow more legitimate than generating them? Did they get the consent of anyone who produced the information contained in those photos?

https://global.unc.edu/our-work/carolina-global-photo-competition/ethical-global-photo-guidelines/

https://www.dostreetphotography.com/blog/law-and-ethics

I don't get why you think linking irrelevant things that are vaguely related to the topic is a response to what people have said.

https://hortsci.agriculturejournals.cz/pdfs/hor/2017/04/06.pdf

[Boredfrom]

While I don’t think AI is going away… the token maxing and server cost seems to indicate is not going to be widespread in creative fields outside office stuff.

no, not at all

token maxing (the idea that spending more tokens means you've been more productive) is a limited practice that was field tested in a few places and it's already become obvious that it leads to company overspending and doesn't mean much, since (for example) you can just feed AI your whole codebase over and over for small questions in new chats and that will easily eat up millions of tokens for little payoff

the fact that some companies are stupid does not mean that Claude isn't insanely useful and helpful for coding, or that even if Claude specifically is expensive currently, that could just be due to Anthropic pursuing profitability, and who knows what's just around the corner on a Claude-level for coding that might be far cheaper

 

At we are admitting that, baby steps.

I don’t doubt they have their uses, but I feel probability is going to be a problem and with the unwillingness to use smaller stuff.

We still have the energy and servers problem from big players. 

on the art side, Ideogram 4 just came out for local use and it's powerful, it's yet another great leap forward for local AI that puts it on the level of last gen ChatGPT (meaning, a few months ago), you can easily make complex images with it like comics with text, and it only costs what a modern PC costs

 

Oh boy, that is not a gotcha. 

constant breakthroughs, constant cost reduction, you don't have to subscribe to the big players for insanely useful tools, anyone who is actually serious about AI imagery already uses free local tools

Isn’t too bad the more egregious cases are related with big players or big companies? 

You are right that AI companies are going to stabilize after the gold rush end, but the art stuff sounds like wishfully thinking from your part, as long as the bad PR continues, as companies may start just avoiding this entirely at creative stuff if the bad PR keeps growing.

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

Like why doe she think she's so amazing?

I don't think she does. She knows she ain't shit, but as long as she has era to roleplay on, she doesn't have to face that.

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

I DON'T FOLLOW TRAFFIC. I AM THE TRAFFIC.

And the other Taxi driver wearing roller skates to drive a car

The extra wheels make her go faster.

[Uncle]

At we are admitting that, baby steps.

literally no one has ever claimed otherwise

on the art side, Ideogram 4 just came out for local use and it's powerful, it's yet another great leap forward for local AI that puts it on the level of last gen ChatGPT (meaning, a few months ago), you can easily make complex images with it like comics with text, and it only costs what a modern PC costs

 

Oh boy, that is not a gotcha.

all of these people at sega already have workstations with 5090s in them, you can either use the hardware you already have or randomly start paying hundreds per month per user for less functionality

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

lol they ran off to their burka thread to whine and now they're being told to shut the fuck up there too

[Boredfrom]

Actually, how in the world is sending some dudes to take reference photos somehow more legitimate than generating them? Did they get the consent of anyone who produced the information contained in those photos?

https://global.unc.edu/our-work/carolina-global-photo-competition/ethical-global-photo-guidelines/

https://www.dostreetphotography.com/blog/law-and-ethics

I don't get why you think linking irrelevant things that are vaguely related to the topic is a response to what people have said.

Even if these incredibly vague "guidelines" were to mean anything and even applied to whatever reference photos they supposedly spent millions taking, you'd have to demonstrate that random ass members of Sonic Team followed them back in 1997.

I dunno why you get offended when people show you that creative people have been thinking and questioned themselves about stufff that you think is clear as day.  

Last year I read House of Leaves and a plot point was about the guilt a photographer character had about taking a photo of someone dying. People have asked this stuff since a while ago. 

BTW, Sonic Team US office was in San Francisco.

[benji]

I dunno why you get offended when people show you that creative people have been thinking and questioned themselves about stufff that you think is clear as day.  

Last year I read House of Leaves and a plot point was about the guilt a photographer character had about taking a photo of someone dying. People have asked this stuff since a while ago. 

BTW, Sonic Team US office was in San Francisco.

Because it's a complete non-sequitur that has nothing to do with anything I said.

I knew about such things, it's literally not a response to what was said.

Mentioning where Sonic Team's office was is just another complete non-sequitur. It doesn't matter where they were based or where the photographers were, they cannot obtain consent from landscapes and inanimate objects. (I would pretty much guarantee they did not obtain consent from any public buildings owners. These are fucking reference photos, not anything that was being published by Sega. Why would they bother?) Neither one of those pages even gets anywhere close to considering the consent of inanimate objects owners for someone else to have personal photographs of those things. Because the idea is stupid. Yet this is what the anti-AI jihadists demand of things that don't actually exist and nobody owns.

[Boredfrom]

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At we are admitting that, baby steps.

literally no one has ever claimed otherwise

Pretty sure some people here claim that companies cannot be this dumb (maybe confusing you with other person, sorry)

all of these people at sega already have workstations with 5090s in them, you can either use the hardware you already have or randomly start paying hundreds per month per user for less functionality

 

The bad PR will continue.

[Boredfrom]

Mentioning where Sonic Team's office was is just another complete non-sequitur. It doesn't matter where they were based or where the photographers were, they cannot obtain consent from landscapes and inanimate objects. (I would pretty much guarantee they did not obtain consent from any public buildings owners. These are fucking reference photos, not anything that was being published by Sega.) Neither one of those pages even gets anywhere close to considering the consent of inanimate objects owners for someone else to have personal photographs of those things. Because the idea is stupid.

  

Obviously I was not talking about consent from inanimate photos. If that was what you mean by “anyone that produced information contained in those photos”, sorry, I misunderstood.

[BIONIC]

Maybe one day the autisty minds of benji and uncle will stop engaging pedofrom and no longer shit up our esteemed thread. Today is not that day.

[Taco Bell Tower]

I love that somebody with a Guilty Gear avatar tries to guilt trip other about sexualization.  

Guilty Gear is the series with the big titty samurai and femboy with a yoyo that made so many little Liliths discover they were transbians. It's progressive ya see!!  

How many jokes about Bridget age were made over the years.

Ree is fine about Bridget being groomed into being a girl.

[benji]

Obviously I was not talking about consent from inanimate photos. If that was what you mean by “anyone that produced information contained in those photos”, sorry, I misunderstood.

That is the only thing the discussion is even about. Anti-AI people want you to have to receive consent for any information you may have received from any source anywhere. The guy doesn't care that Sonic Team did not do this for their extraordinarily expensive reference photos he's praising but he demands it of AI. He doesn't care about the fact that Sonic Team used reference photos to do their art in the first place, yet he demands a prohibition on this in the case of AI.

This is exactly what I mean by the conclusion first, argument second, evidence third. None of these people have ever raised objections to the same exact situation with everything else. But because they need to reach the pre-determined conclusion that AI is bad they need to find evidence for this and so are making insane demands. Their stated preferences may be about AI but their revealed preferences are of far greater concern. They are not carrying their "solutions" to the obvious second order effects.

They literally argue constantly for a monopoly on information. You're under the impression, as you keep saying, that I'm pro-AI or an AI evangelical when I am indifferent to it. It is merely a tool to me, same as any other. I have little to no interest in what Uncle or the Italian speak about regarding their capabilities. But I am strongly anti-anti-AI because these people clearly want to deny access to information unless they deem you in the elite caste worthy of it. (Nepenthe especially argues for a denial to information and capability unless you "put in the work" as determined by a higher order first. Nepenthe not be a fervent reactionary challenge: impossible.) They have not raised any ethical complaints except a presumption that one can monopolize information simply because one self-identifies as the most worthy originator of it. A literal denial of history.

In your kerfuffle with Potato the main objection you outlined is that copyright is funky around it. (It's not in the US until our wise rulers fuck it up, which they are certain to attempt.) But this is not, to me, a legitimate complaint because I am anti-IP. I don't believe Sony should be allowed to monopolize the brilliance of the Concord IP for the next century plus simply because men with guns will threaten people with violence if anyone else wishes to spread this anti-fascist lore and philosophy to the masses. The anti-AI people do want to deny others the chance to experience Concord, they're just too ignorant to know this is what they're arguing for when they blindly focus on what they hate because they seem religiously committed to never look past the immediate.