Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[Nintex]

I'm pretty sure we will all be arrested and charged by Interpol at some point. Only me and potato will walk free after they check our hard drives.

[Boredfrom]

This is happening in my city. The courthouse was closed for the whole trial.

There is a lot to be argued about but by the law in Texas, this was murder. Manslaughter would be if he killed him drunk driving, or shoved him back and he hit his head (that would actually be a valid self-defense situation even).

But Karmelo had a choice to leave and chose to stab the other dude. And he did so in the chest. And he obviously thought about it beforehand given his warning. Just because you warn someone, doesn't mean it's okay to murder them in this situation.

Its seriously, seriously fucked up that if a white perpetrator did this to a black victim in the same scenario in Texas (Or anywhere in the country to be fair) you know they'd get away scot free. It’s infuriating and tragic that the country is so racist and sucks even more the real, deep wide consequences this racism has on POC and their families and victims of horrendous racist crimes and all the rest. The white guys should be charged for their murders too. But the law doesn't apply when you have certain privileges.

I like how he halfway changes the tune to “because the whites”. Again, is not like I don’t believe your justice system favors one group over another… but is risible the examples used on this specific case. Kurage talks like we are still in the Jim Crow’s years and some vague and nebulous group of “whites” are getting away with it.

[Besticus Maximus]

Starting to think that Royalan's online school for young black boys who need help and guidance from mentors is not going to end up turning out very well

[Boredfrom]

Oh God, I was a more happy man when I didn’t know who was Patrick Ojota.  

Thanks Google and Twitter. 

[Nintex]

I like how he halfway changes the tune to “because the whites”. Again, is not like I don’t believe your justice system favors one group over another… but is risible the examples used on this specific case. Kurage talks like we are still in the Jim Crow’s years and some vague and nebulous group of “whites” are getting away with it.

But that group that is "getting away with it" ain't vague 

[Boredfrom]

You know, reading Patrick Ojete stupid shit makes realize that there is genuinely a kind of person that gravitates toward being a Trumptard (or their country equivalent), and is genuinely depressing. 

That asshole was saying he was shadowbanned from twitter  and I got to see his cartoon in a Google search about Karmelo. 

[Shecky Fragbaum]

Maybe it's a hot take, but I find the "Why can't WE have a Kyle Rittenhouse?!" arguement to be sorta whack.

Still, it's always nice to see the community come together in support of a young man in need. Imagine they showed this much interest in him before the brutal, unprovoked and completely avoidable armed murder at a non-contact sporting event.

[kaleidoscopium]

Yes, court cases are decided by arguments. That is known. What is also known is that juries can't actually be objective, and that we live in a social fabric colored with biases against certain groups of people over others.

You're never actually going to remove the emotion of cases involving defendents who are minorities until the oppression actually goes away.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/karmelo-anthony-case.1548097/page-4#post-156306805

I think murder in this instance is excessive and his sentence even more so, yes. And it's not just me, this story has blown up because plenty of people, including activists and legal professionals, feel the same way. If you follow history, and how justice is visited upon white men guilty of the same thing (or worse) against Black bodies, you'd understand why.

Yes, the kid who stabbed someone in the heart for being told to leave and then shoved out, that’s totally manslaughter. 

God these people are fucking retarded.

[jooseloose]

benji can this be added as a banner

[HaughtyFrank]

Maybe it's a hot take, but I find the "Why can't WE have a Kyle Rittenhouse?!" arguement to be sorta whack.

Still, it's always nice to see the community come together in support of a young man in need. Imagine they showed this much interest in him before the brutal, unprovoked and completely avoidable armed murder at a non-contact sporting event.

When imagining a scenario that's exactly the same just with races reversed I find it hard to imagine a white kid would just walk away from it. But who knows, maybe the system is really as racist as Royalan and Nepenthe say, it's not out of the realm of possibility.
One thing I do know for certain though that if races were reversed and someone tried to make arguments, downplaying how it's not murder or that he "had the intent of self defense" they'd instantly get their account nuked by Royalan and Nepthene and they'd forever serve as an example of how racist the forum is

[Straight Edge]

In the criminal justice system, whites are represented by two separate but equally important groups: the police who apprehend black bodies and the district attorneys who sentence them to life in prison. These are their stories.

[Potato]

Look man, when we the last time you stabbed someone in the chest but didn't intend to kill them? I do that every day and get away with it because I'm white.

[Let's Cyber]

Is it really fair to judge this poor child based on the ONE brutal murder? Who hasn't stabbed a high schooler with a knife in the fucking heart after being shoved one time? Have we considered micro-aggressions against black bodies?

For me, the worst part is the murdering. 

[Lonewulfeus]

Yes, court cases are decided by arguments. That is known. What is also known is that juries can't actually be objective, and that we live in a social fabric colored with biases against certain groups of people over others.

You're never actually going to remove the emotion of cases involving defendents who are minorities until the oppression actually goes away.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/karmelo-anthony-case.1548097/page-4#post-156306805

I think murder in this instance is excessive and his sentence even more so, yes. And it's not just me, this story has blown up because plenty of people, including activists and legal professionals, feel the same way. If you follow history, and how justice is visited upon white men guilty of the same thing (or worse) against Black bodies, you'd understand why.

Yes, the kid who stabbed someone in the heart for being told to leave and then shoved out, that’s totally manslaughter. 

God these people are fucking retarded.

Having not followed this story at all, the only thing I’m curious about is why the kid wasn’t supposed to be there in the first place.  On its face that seems like a “we don’t like your kind around here” situation.  And not to victim blame, but I’m gonna power through, why was it up to these kids to enforce his removal if he truly wasn’t supposed to be there for some legitimate reason?  Seems like a fuck around and find out situation on both sides mixed in with some garden variety racism to me.

[Garfield]

Look man, when we the last time you stabbed someone in the chest but didn't intend to kill them? I do that every day and get away with it because I'm white.

that's because you're privileged

[Boredfrom]

It wasn’t on his team tent and he was the one that started to shit talk the other team. That’s why they asked him to leave. He was the initial aggressor.

[Boredfrom]

That’s why you don’t give likes to Trumptards.   

[simiansmarts]

there are some straight BANGERS being posted in the why women thread after the successful stellar blade honeypot 
  
https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-540#post-156286045

Again, i want to say that while its great that mods were quick on the trigger with the ban in the latest thread, the bulk of the bad actors will come from more general threads like trailer threads, thats where it's easy to hide and have plausible deniability, i hope no one gets the impression today that the job's done and the situation regarding SB is resolved

 
the work never ends. the honeypots will continue until every last molecule of potential chuddery is eradicated.  

Yeah, people who don't give a shit about the sexualization of a very young looking character will not go into a thread about that. When we get more gameplay trailers or whatever, that's when the real problems are gonna start.

 

The lead up to, and release of, Stellar Blade was one of the most frustrating times on this forum for me. Not that the problems it highlighted within the gaming community and industry at large were new, in fact they're basically ancient at this point, but it just so starkly put into focus how many people just don't give a single shit about these issues.

2's reveal is less than a week old and I'm already losing my mind. The sheer indifference to the problems that the devs themselves are touting as a fucking plus is appalling.

 

You're right, it's not a new problem but these games certainly highlight the ambient temperature of this forum or even gamers in general. It's super frustrating because right now that thread is going and will be an echo chamber of people saying how gross it is because the usual suspects are just avoiding it for now, but when there is a new trailer or preview or review thread bet your ass we'll see the "hype" all over again and the problems will be ignored and will become normalized and the next one will be even worse.

 
But I thought that's what they wanted??? People are too afraid to say anything positive about the game in fear of getting sniped while everyone else is performatively tut tutting to virtue signal they're an ally. Even if they successfully get Stellar Blade on the banned content list like Hogwarts Legacy, people will just move on to the next game that's deemed problematic and express their interest/excitement and we do the same song and dance. 

I wonder if they're gonna make excuses for Dead or Alive 7 to avoid this scrutiny because it's a series they grew up with (so it doesn't count as a chud game) whereas Stellar Blade is a new IP designed exclusively for chuds in their mind.

[Jansen]

[Jansen]

OryxTheBakinKing said:
All the racial hand waving BS is to distract you from the fact that he stuck a knife in another human being which left a two-inch long chest wound that bled profusely.

The cowards and frauds in this thread who seek to divide us don't have the stomach to face the reality of what happened. They are cowards just like Anthony's parents who couldn't even stay in the courtroom when the medical examiner laid out the exact nature of Metcalf's wound.

His parents surrounded themselves with racial grifters immediately following the criminal act and Anthony was given an incredibly lenient bail situation which allowed him to graduate from high school and live a pretty good life up until the trial.

If you believe this country is an ongoing project, the chapter which ended at Appomattox Courthouse was written in the blood of many white immigrants who sacrificed their lives to end the great evil of slavery.

This trial was not perfect but I think the racial conversation surrounding it is radicalizing people in the wrong direction.

The shared project only works if everyone can make peace with living in a multicultural society and the trade-offs that come with that. Hard to see things getting better with so much disinformation targeting those who can't separate truth from fiction (this goes for whites, too).

https://www.resetera.com/threads/karmelo-anthony-case.1548097/page-5#post-156323806

snip snap

[Boredfrom]

It wasn’t on his team tent and he was the one that started to shit talk the other team. That’s why they asked him to leave. He was the initial aggressor.

Correction, he was there because he was visiting a friend from that school tent. It says they asked him to leave after the friend went away.

[jimmys13]

Banned for not reading the room is ableism against autistics.

[Polident]

Do they omit how a number of witnesses are black, weren’t told to leave because that wasn’t a factor, and those witnesses said the murderer was the aggressor who kept escalating the situation.

Can we get back to more important topics. Like how finding an adult woman attractive makes you a pedophile.

[simiansmarts]

I've been avoiding the Stellar Blade 2 stuff, I haven't watched the trailer (seen the images here though) and have been avoid the threads because I feel way too tired right now to scratch that issue, like with every other thing going on in the world, I just don't have the energy or want to engage with the grossness of the lead's design just that yeah, it's obvious she's made to look young.

Seeing the IGN thread linked though... Yeah no, their is no ambiguity there, they KNOW what they did making her face like that and using that controversy to sell the game "If you want to know, you have to play to find out!" is just gross. Like the comparisons to Quiet and the "You'll be ashamed of your words and deeds" are apt but at least Quirt didn't look like a kid and wasn't straight up a teen like with Evie here.

Also side note and so many game sites do this but writers, stop writing about these controverses (not just this or objectification of women but most game controversies) like you're trying to sell the game at the same time, like having a paragraph like, "Shift Up announced Stellar Blade: Blood Rain at Summer Game Fest last week with an eye-catching trailer that revealed Evie, a brand new main character who prefers to punch her way through enemies than take the slice and dice approach favored by her predecessor." kind of makes it come across you don't actually give a damn about the controversy you're righting about and feels REALLY gross to do when discussing about people uncomfortable about the objectification of a Teen.

 
 

[benji]

Knew he'd look fuck all like his avatar 

To be fair, I don't look like my avatar either. I almost never wear the hat.

My dudes that picture is 9 years old now

She looks pretty much the same on Linkedin. And she's still probably like the best looking Era poster we've seen.

You hold out hope but this felt inevitable. America can never leave a losing situation anyway and Trump is so easily goaded. Israel gets what it wanted as usual.

Afghanistan?

This country has a history of white people chasing down and murdering Black people and then getting off with zero time and a right-wing speaking tour on the self-defense argument.

Uh, can I get a couple names?

The lack of diversity in the jury and the Texas legal system writ large were definitely oriented to make an example out of a young black man convicted of a crime, that's a tale as old as time.

His punishment here is deliberately harsh, and the "controversy" around it is also a classic hit from the American legal system files — people of color are rightfully viewing this is as a case of inflated charges by a prosecution out for blood and racial unrest, which it is, and white republicans have latched onto that response to frame it as evidence that people of color are violent criminals who endorse violence against white people.

It's a mess we've seen hundreds of times, but the only bare and basic truth we can get to is that this was a senseless, horrific tragedy, a young man is dead, and another young man is as good as dead because the justice system is going to toss him in a cell and throw away the key. There's no peace for anyone, no real lessons learned, no opportunities for growth for anyone, it's just blood for blood wearing the mask of justice because he gets to technically live in a prison cell instead of being put down by the state.

The only lessons here for the rest of us are the same lessons we've learned dozens of times already. Don't let anger win and get you caught up in a bad situation, don't throw hands or steel when words or escaping the situation could do, and don't ever expect the American justice system to treat a black man like they would a white man in the same situation, because they will be sure to make you regret it and try to make an example out of you.

Texas charges everyone like this, they've put innocent white men to death.

Every prosecutor in the country overcharges and it's not for blood/racial unrest, it's for spite against not pleading guilty when they offered you lesser charges.

Also, Anthony is going to get out at 35. That's if it his sentence survives appeals.

But you cannot convicingly argue against the fact that the all-white make up of the jury and the length of time of the sentence means this kid was being made an example of in a country that has time and time again made an example of Black people anyway they can.

Well, I can but that's because I'm actually familiar with the criminal justice system.

They're asking you to recognize the fact that a white defendant in the same situation wouldn't be treated this way.

Hell, not even an Asian defendant was.

(I think in general though people should recognize why they feel a frothing-at-the-mouth need for carceral punishment whenever people, regardless of race, break the law and whether or not this is a mindset that's actually conducive to any semblance of justice, rehabilitation, or bettering this country. Something tells me people won't though.)

She really thinks white defendants have never been oversentenced.  

And see, THIS right here is the thing.

It's exhausting seeing the violence visited upon Anthony being brushed aside as "just a push" in the wider context of this racist country we live in.

To be clear, that was NOT Metcalf's tent. Being team captain gave him no ownership of property. He did not have the authority to approach Anthony, demand he leave, enter his personal space and physically threaten him if Anthony did not comply with orders he had no power to make. It don't matter how many times Anthony was asked to leave. And it's personally shocking to me that people don't realize how micro-aggressive this is. To easily rest on the idea that a Black boy should have ceded to a white boy's demands because you have been raised to believe that THAT should be the default response. And if he doesn't? Well, of course he gave him a little push...

And mind you, NONE OF THIS is me arguing that Anthony was in the right for doing what he did. He wasn't. But what's upsetting people, and what's micro-aggressive is the refusal to engage with why Black folks would fear for their safety in this situation at all.

And think about this, the tent wasn't even a permanent structure, it was a temporary one on someone else's property!

Your logic isn't legal.

Whatever assumed authority you think your status as team captain of a high school sports team gives you does not translate to actual authority.

You are literally not allowed to physically remove people from queer spaces for "not belonging." Really think about the implications of that (and as much as queer spaces wish they could!).

1. Why does he think legal authority means anything here?
2. Yes, you are literally allowed to do this. That's what trespassing means. The Civil Rights Act only impinges when it's a demonstrated pattern of discrimination against a protected characteristic, expelling specific individuals is fine. (You'd probably need a Trump judge to find being straight as a protected characteristic btw.)

Yes, court cases are decided by arguments. That is known. What is also known is that juries can't actually be objective, and that we live in a social fabric colored with biases against certain groups of people over others.

You're never actually going to remove the emotion of cases involving defendents who are minorities until the oppression actually goes away.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/karmelo-anthony-case.1548097/page-4#post-156306805

This is one of the dumbest things ever written. The entire purpose of a jury system is not to remove these emotions, to allow you to plead your case to your peers.

Even despite the history of racism that led to that ruling (which isn't as insane as you make it, it's only when people are deliberately excluded from the jury not just whenever a jury is all one race), the concept that you can only be judged by people of your own skin color is an abhorrent and racist one. You're saying that people of different skin color literally cannot be your peers. Pretty fucking racist!

Why don't we slice it thinner? As someone with headmates, only those with headmates should be allowed to criminally judge me!

[simiansmarts]

Do they omit how a number of witnesses are black, weren’t told to leave because that wasn’t a factor, and those witnesses said the murderer was the aggressor who kept escalating the situation.

Can we get back to more important topics. Like how finding an adult woman attractive makes you a pedophile.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-blood-rain-shiftup-ceo-hyung-tae-kim-to-ign-yes-she-is-younger-shes-smaller-in-size.1547899/page-10#post-156314836 
 

The way none of the gaming press seemed to react to the character reveal makes me feel like I'm on crazy pills.

Maybe it takes a lot of concentration to watch a stream and talk at the same time, but somehow I was able to clock that the game was most likely stellar blade and ask "What did they do to her face!? Why does it sound like someone told AI to write teenage girl dialogue?"

Considering the other voice on the radio, surely the rest of the cast will be nightmarish.

 
 
 

That's kind of implied in the "over" bit - but there are, for example, female creators who have made sexy and sexual movies or comics. For another random take you could look at Verhoeven. And I'm sure some examples exist in games as well. But certainly certain signifiers tend to spell bad vibes.

I agree, sexy and sexuality can be differentiated from the extremes, like Hades, and often art with women at the helm or in leading roles.

 
coincidentally avoiding the fact that the first stellar blade's protag was designed by a woman. 
 

Sony has nothing to do with this game.

 

Sony here is just owning a console the game is said to playable on. They are not publishing the game.

They're selling this game on their platform, which they take 30% of sales for their cut.

They could have straight up ban this game if they're not okay with the content.

It's definitely not "nothing to do with this game".

Of course, this goes for the other platforms too, not just Sony.

  
sony is complicit in pedophilia and microsoft is complicit in genocide, when will it end??

You what else bothers me?

We know there must be skins in the game that makes things even worse.
We know it's coming, and people are trying to normalize this shit, but I have this dreadful feeling we are still just seeing the tip of the iceberg regarding the pedo content in this game.

 
he definitely wrote this post one handed.

[HaughtyFrank]

It wasn't all white, it had people of other ethnicities on it - but nobody black specifically.

If there were no black people in the jury then realistically it was all white. Other ethnicities in America get their framing of black people through a white lens.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/karmelo-anthony-case.1548097/post-156330823

[Let's Cyber]

It wasn't all white, it had people of other ethnicities on it - but nobody black specifically.

If there were no black people in the jury then realistically it was all white. Other ethnicities in America get their framing of black people through a white lens.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/karmelo-anthony-case.1548097/post-156330823

So what happened to the concpet of BIPOC? Asians and Latinos be like


 Welcome to ResetEra, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.

Lot of asses being shown in this thread

[benji]

Love the "fear" that there's going to be a bunch of even worse pedo stuff because we've already seen pedo stuff: a slightly younger looking woman than typical.

[benji]

What happened to BIPOC? Asians and Latinos be like

White adjacents have never been included.