Kulturkampf

[HaughtyFrank]

[HaughtyFrank]

Yes? Who cares?

[killamajig]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WNBAgossips/comments/1vq1ozw/sophie_persona_non_grata/

No sophie cunningham in post titles in r/WNBA.

[Uncle]

The people who placed him in, and fought to assure he stayed in, a position he never should have had, bear the most responsibility for this.

My controversial opinion is that these people aren't at fault, nor are the people saying he should be investigated. Jason Arday is at fault for his own suicide.

My thing is that I feel like a lot of Current Year Discourse is rooted in this increasingly expansive concept of where to attribute blame when people kill themselves. Suicide is like 1% of all deaths worldwide--though I'm not sure if that includes countries like canada juicing the numbers--but I would say a lot more than 1% of discussions about why some cultural thing should or shouldn't be done invoke the specter of harm via externally-induced suicide to make their point.

You can't show that on TV, someone might kill themselves! 
You have to publish this book, or who knows how many people will kill themselves without it?!
We can't enforce the rules, don't know you know someone might kill themselves?

We really must put an end to butterflies flapping their wings....there's no telling how many suicides their thoughtless behavior will cause!

It's not wrong to be upset when someone commits suicide, but it is wrong to do these adhoc forensic inquries into who pressed the suicide button when it happens. There's only one person who can do that, definitionally. I'd say even in the most obvious cases it's questionable--I remember that girl who was texting that boy to kill himself over and over and think that's pretty clear cut...but then I remember the sage wisdom of tylerthecreator and find myself questioning again.

Not to mention that in the case of Arday, anyone actively participating in the discourse is deluding themselves if they want others to believe they have a sincere interest in uh...suicide justice? It's just the next stage of the already ongoing argument, only both sides are now freshly armed with a shiny new weapon.

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Also it's probably worth mentioning that Arday was "found dead" and it's not a confirmed suicide. I don't expect he was struck by lightning, but there's still a possibility that something other than suicide happened. Though I'm not sure any cause--including lightning, because maybe Arday wouldn't have been standing there if he hadn't been unfairly lauded and/or severely scrutinized!--would stop people people from using his corpse to score rhetorical goals.

it really is kind of odd how much of modern discourse centers around suicide as the reason/motivation for all sorts of things

* all of trans everything centers around "would you rather have a living daughter or a dead son," the entire reason anyone pushes for social acceptance is the idea that if not accepted they will make a big frowny face and then off themselves

* kiwifarms is demonized for Directly Causing These Specific Four Suicides, but when you look into them, none seem to be directly attributable...demonize the site for valid reasons like it being a hateful place where everyone is allowed to say the n word or something. and then conversely you look at twitter, reddit, youtube or twitch over the years and there have been tons of suicides that seem partly attributable to the pile-on social media enables, like etika's situation, and few call for consequences to these platforms

* one of the leading motivations for censoring AI these days seems to be how it talks vulnerable people into suicide, but again, you look into these specific situations and it's like an older long-retired model where a mentally ill user said "I'm coming home to you my love" and it said "yes come home to me," not understanding what they meant by that. and then the reason this user was able to complete the act was their negligent father's unlocked gun safe. no one ever seems to ask how many people have been prevented from committing suicide when AI begged them not to; of course we can't predict the future and how many would've done so for lack of AI to talk to, but then how can we calculate the success rate of suicide prevention hotlines either?

[Lonewulfeus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WNBAgossips/comments/1vq1ozw/sophie_persona_non_grata/

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Is Sophie Cuntingham allowed?

[Potato]

Yes? Who cares?

6 people a protest does not make...

[filler]

what's her bore account?

[DavidCroquet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WNBAgossips/comments/1vq1ozw/sophie_persona_non_grata/

No sophie cunningham in post titles in r/WNBA.

Is Sophie Cuntingham allowed?

Just start posting instead about how much I love the Indiana Fever and all of their great, talented and intelligent female players! That shouldn’t be controversial in any way.

[Besticus Maximus]

Gadaffi was such a hipster, so underrated so far as mental dictators go

[filler]

[DavidCroquet]

His smile and optimism: restored!

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[benji]

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[Alpacx]

[Uncle]

darvo

"actually YOU are the ones who want to let men into women's sports! you have to let us put men into women's sports to make sure the sports remain female only spaces!"

[HaughtyFrank]

We call upon your government to establish a full independent public inquiry into the circumstances surrounding the treatment and death of Jason Arday: into the conduct of the institutions involved; the warnings given concerning his vulnerability; the decisions taken after those warnings; and, above all, the interaction between the legacy media and the digital attention systems with which they have become coupled. However, even before this is done the CPS should be examining the matter, and the police should be impounding computers. This is not an attack upon a free press—it is a necessarily immediate defence of one. Nor is this an attempt to establish Jason Arday's innocence of allegations concerning plagiarism and other academic misconduct: on this matter we need to be absolutely clear: He may not have been innocent. Be that as it may, every single person who contributed to the harassment of Arday should now be feeling guilty, which in turn should—quite possibly for the first time in their lives—give them the basic orientation necessary to understand that: you don't have to be innocent to possess a right not to be collectively destroyed.

People are also.mad that the NYTimes released an article after his death that posed additional questions about his stories, even citing classmates who said that Arday was perfectly verbal as a child

There was also a really in depth audition process at Cambridge that for some reason picked Arday over more experienced, women of color, candidates

[Nintex]

Yes? Who cares?

6 people a protest does not make...

With Trump in the White House Putin's trickery no longer seems to have the same panache

[RetiredSkunk]

Why that look like Neil Breen though?

[benji]

[benji]

[benji]

[HaughtyFrank]

[benji]

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[malfoyking]

Fuck me, leftists and DSA are just the goddamn worst of the worst.

[HaughtyFrank]

Woman: "I see myself in the mother who killed her three children"

Guy: "That sounds like your children are in danger"

Woman: "How fucking dare you, I'm the best mother around"

[HaughtyFrank]

Starting to think Benji might be right about the Good Law Project

[HaughtyFrank]

The Guardian sought to establish what was true. That is the proper function of journalism. Reporters were contacted by Arday over a year ago and worked extensively to verify what he had told them. In many instances they could not. It was right for the Guardian to publish its investigation, and it is wrong that the journalists who did their job responsibly are now being subjected to an onslaught of abuse.

One of the journalists should kill themselves to make a point

[Potato]

People who were willing to cancel people and completely ostracise them from society on the basis of 3 anonymous tweets are suddenly hand wringing about an open and shut case of plagiarism and embellishment of achievements? 


Woke 1.0 was wild.

[Ethan]

I know depression and suicidal ideations are not a logical thing, but Arday could just have apologized and fucked off to Nepal or Patagonia for 3-4 months, with no social media. By Christmas, no one would have cared anymore. Then he could have started a Substack or a podcast for an easy 100k a year.

[DavidCroquet]

Woman: "I see myself in the mother who killed her three children"

Guy: "That sounds like your children are in danger"

Woman: "How fucking dare you, I'm the best mother around"

There's definitely a large and weird internet cul-de-sac of 'being a mom is the hardest thing ever done, and any action taken while afflicted by the state of motherhood is beyond mortal judgement'.

I'm a parent, but i've found it really annoying to meet moms, mostly because all they do is complain about every aspect of being with their kids. Sure it ain't all sunshine but also, wtf?

[HaughtyFrank]

I know depression and suicidal ideations are not a logical thing, but Arday could just have apologized and fucked off to Nepal or Patagonia for 3-4 months, with no social media. By Christmas, no one would have cared anymore. Then he could have started a Substack or a podcast for an easy 100k a year.

He had no idea how far people would go to defend him

Like this guy

"Why did journalists focus on the lie that he was non verbal until 11 instead of focusing on his jokes making everyone laugh as a child"