Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[Jansen]

Oh sorry not entertainment I actually meant "food"

[Let's Cyber]

He's moved crosscountry out from his parents (at large expense because he took all his toys and crap)

...has to constantly rebeg "for food" because he buys every new game, lots of Gundam crap and worst of all, massive amounts of delivered food because he can't cook.

He sounds like trans-DSP

[nachobro]

trans dsp is just planetsmasher now

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ummm-whats-the-deal-with-young-women-and-astrology.1650103/page-4#post-161343157

A hard lesson I had to learn in the sciences is that a belief system isn't inherently morally superior because it appeals to science instead of superstition. Somebody saying that trans people aren't real because God says so is functionally no different than someone saying we don't exist because science says so.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-dont-like-cheese-on-my-hamburgers.648765/page-2#post-95670189

I'm autistic...

https://www.resetera.com/threads/steam-autumn-sale-2026-october-1st-to-october-8th.1648105/page-4#post-161282998

Grabbed a ton of Train Sim World content at all time lows, this sale is incredible for catching up on those.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/eyes-wide-shut-the-complicity-of-the-media-and-public-towards-tom-cruises-role-with-his-cult.1650610/#post-161367400

People love making excuses for things and entertainers they enjoy. I don't see that changing any time soon.

Abuse? Sexual assault? No problem. Cult? Eh, who cares. genAI? It's all good. Even if they claim they're against it in another thread.

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ummm-whats-the-deal-with-young-women-and-astrology.1650103/page-4#post-161343157

A hard lesson I had to learn in the sciences is that a belief system isn't inherently morally superior because it appeals to science instead of superstition.

[Snoopy]

So, are they for rape or against it? The picture seems unclear.

[Boredfrom]

Honestly, I ain't even mad. I totally respect the hustle. Melody Shreds found a niche, found how to play his moronic followers like a fiddle and is making a small fortune. Hats off to you, Shredder.

But it also shows how America is totally failing as a country when someone like Melody can sit on his fat ass at home all day, bitch about his parents, retweet loli porn, build Gundam toys, all while LARPing as a woman and still earn $17,000+ on top of whatever benefits he's getting from unemployment and pretending to be disabled / ADHD / autistic / retarded.

America is fucked!

We mildly kept up with him in the Mutual Aid thread and this is kind of overplaying it. He's moved crosscountry out from his parents (at large expense because he took all his toys and crap), got kicked out of one trans house when the transbian got a new transbian and is now in another one that owes thousands of dollars in unpaid bills. He gets nothing from unemployment and didn't get on benefits until just a couple months ago thanks to having moved to Oregon and that being a Blue State that will approve nearly anything.

That $17,000 disappears in no time and he has to constantly rebeg "for food" because he buys every new game, lots of Gundam crap and worst of all, massive amounts of delivered food because he can't cook.

Is just not Gundam the ones with the problem.  

[simiansmarts]

These dudes and Nepenthe so want a world where either you're executed for accusations and/or every moment of your life is monitored by the state. They literally do not want to live in a world with due process because they're afraid someone won't be punished enough for something about which they have incredibly minimal information.

It goes hand-in-hand with their psychotic obsession with mob justice (no bad tactics, only bad targets). They're no different from those Blue Lives Matter jackasses wearing Punisher skull decals.  
 
No one cares about due process and rehabilitation because that's cringe liberal shit

[benji]

(no bad tactics, only bad targets)
...
No one cares about due process and rehabilitation because that's cringe liberal shit

 

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FACT CHECK: Lying, or really anything at all, in the service of the cause is not immoral:

But is there such a thing as communist ethics? Is there such a thing as communist morality? Of course, there is. It is often suggested that we have no ethics of our own; very often the bourgeoisie accuse us Communists of rejecting all morality. This is a method of confusing the issue, of throwing dust in the eyes of the workers and peasants.

In what sense do we reject ethics, reject morality?

In the sense given to it by the bourgeoisie, who based ethics on God's commandments. On this point we, of course, say that we do not believe in God, and that we know perfectly well that the clergy, the landowners and the bourgeoisie invoked the name of God so as to further their own interests as exploiters. Or, instead of basing ethics on the commandments of morality, on the commandments of God, they based it on idealist or semi-idealist phrases, which always amounted to something very similar to God's commandments.

We reject any morality based on extra-human and extra-class concepts. We say that this is deception, dupery, stultification of the workers and peasants in the interests of the landowners and capitalists.

We say that our morality is entirely subordinated to the interests of the proletariat's class struggle. Our morality stems from the interests of the class struggle of the proletariat.

...

That is why we say that to us there is no such thing as a morality that stands outside human society; that is a fraud. To us morality is subordinated to the interests of the proletariat's class struggle.

...

The class struggle is continuing; it has merely changed its forms. It is the class struggle of the proletariat to prevent the return of the old exploiters, to unite in a single union the scattered masses of unenlightened peasants. The class struggle is continuing and it is our task to subordinate all interests to that struggle. Our communist morality is also subordinated to that task. We say: morality is what serves to destroy the old exploiting society and to unite all the working people around the proletariat, which is building up a new, communist society.

Communist morality is that which serves this struggle and unites the working people against all exploitation, against all petty private property; for petty property puts into the hands of one person that which has been created by the labour of the whole of society.

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When people tell us about morality, we say: to a Communist all morality lies in this united discipline and conscious mass struggle against the exploiters. We do not believe in an eternal morality, and we expose the falseness of all the fables about morality. Morality serves the purpose of helping human society rise to a higher level and rid itself of the exploitation of labour.

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[benji]

This fucking disabled person attacking chud is back out there being a fascist yet again:

Describing a “nameless” and “canceled” friend of his, Rock recalled, “Another friend of mine was like, ‘How can you be friends with that person?’ I was like, ‘If you’re only friends with your friends when they’re good, they’re not your friends.'”

Emphasizing that while that line of thinking “doesn’t mean condoning abusive behavior,” Rock launched into his hot take.

“The problem with ‘wokeness’ — and don’t get me wrong, it is great that marginalized people have a voice; it is great to advocate for anybody that feels marginalized — but the problem is we’re in the Old Testament right now,” he explained. “The Old Testament has no forgiveness. The Old Testament didn’t work, so they had to write a remix called the New Testament.”

After Marchese noted that some say the “Woke 1.0 era, which refers to the immediate post-George Floyd era, was ‘crazy,'” Rock elaborated:

"Again, it’s great to help those that need help. We need more of that. The problem is when you institutionalize it. That’s the problem.

So, my half a joke — the Salem Witch Hunts. I’m sure the first three witches they caught were actually f*cking witches. But then you open up a witch office, and now you gotta start lying. Now, you gotta f*cking make sh*t up ’cause you got overhead."

He so desperately wants to curry favor with Trump and be another Nazi star like Chapelle and Sydney Sweeney.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pete-hegseth%E2%80%99s-air-force-academy-speech-backdrop-draws-scrutiny-%E2%80%98accidental-nazi-is-just-not-a-thing%E2%80%99.1651639/page-2#post-161425057

Cognitive dissonance allows these ghouls to justify any atrocity as long as it supports a particular ideological crusade.

Fuck these assholes but isn't that just the DOD seal without the colors?

[benji]

Not a conspiracy forum:

Mask fully off. Not even pretending anymore.

No, at this point stuff like this is clearly intentional.

Example, in the UK the Conservative party just announced a new medieval style tapestry being put on display at their party conference and it is clearly AI designed and features the former PM helping brown people and the leader of the conservatives (a black woman who has clearly been influenced by far right twitter) helping an Aryan white couple as well as loads of other stuff.

Most telling of all is the tapestry is 88ft long. You don't just end up at 88 for your racist tapestry by accident.

The brazen nature of it is to deflect from accusations whilst shouting out to their supporters.

Yeah, they're fascists.

They have presented themselves as much since 2016.

It wasn't a coincidence that a number of Donald Trump's 2016 run propaganda featured some instances of video shots mirroring those from the notorious Nazi propaganda film, "The Triumph of the Will".

The whole time it hasn't been a coincidence, but they are counting on people to keep treating it as such.

Elon's Nazi salute at the inauguration was a test run of what they could get away with. When the media ignored it, they knew that they could go all in.

The Fascist States of America.

It's not just the politicians who have taken their masks off. They need a compliant electorate.

Let's watch the next round of voting and see what else they tell us about themselves.

This one seems like a bit of a reach, the DoD eagle has always had the "flat" wings.

This is true, but it definitely feels to me like they took advantage of that for plausible deniability when you also consider the positioning of the bird and the flat coloring instead of the colorful seal. Feels like the type of thing Neonazis who want plausible deniability would do.

None of this... none of it, is remotely surprising. They've been doing this since day 1.

The colors and razor edging of the feathers and details are the issue guys. With neonazis details are EVERYTHING. This guy already has tattoos that are barely in the edge of plausible deniability. He doesn't deserve the defense.

The Eagle has always had flat wings.

That was a Roman salute.

Those Space Force uniforms are just futuristic looking

Those aren't concentration camps.

Tucker didn't say white, so it's not the 14 words.

If you still question whether the people in charge of this country are blatantly spreading Nazi imagery and gestures, you're being willfully obtuse.

The United States is under the control of Nazis and white supremacists. Period.

Are we going to let them complete their grip on power? Are we ready to resist?

"They're not even hiding it" implies they had been hiding it before.

They've been full mask off for a while now.

Other normal forum things:

i think all these people should die

This would fill me with great joy. Hopefully Stephen Miller gets the party started.

i think all these people should die

.

What:

Not even hiding it. Also how can they want to be Nazi's and still be so supportive towards Israel?

Money.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hans-zimmer-is-rooting-for-canada-sounds-off-on-america-as-trade-war-crescendoes-before-north-american-tour.1651810/#post-161426266

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hans-zimmer-is-rooting-for-canada-sounds-off-on-america-as-trade-war-crescendoes-before-north-american-tour.1651810/#post-161426266

Eh. He's involved in some really unsavory things himself like working with the Saudis and more recently JK Rowling.

Thanks for the auto-derail. Appreciate your service.

Was hoping for folks coming in to speak about music from this, but why am I not surprised? lol

This is a really fucking shitty thing to say.

Never know when you'll get randomly stopped by the purity card inspector

Are you trying to say transphobia is just a 'purity test'?

Had no idea he's doing the new HP show. Yeah, that's yikes.

Does this imply that I guess everything has to be pre-vetted before posting to see if it's appropriate enough to be a pure topic on it's subject matter(with the appropriate tags attached) to give people enough hindsight into it's direction? The thread title was on one subject itself, and tied to that person and that one subject, but we're okay with side questing/redirecting conversation away from the original content on everything is what I think you are saying?

Never mind, you have proved my point. So I'll just find some other news to bring attention to, and hope that makes you more comfortable about the subject matter to stay on it?

Post whatever you fucking want. But when you celebrate something about a transphobe, don't be surprised when people bring up they're a transphobe.

wtf is going on in this thread? Checking transphobia is a purity test now?

Yeah, absolutely same. How are we supposed to know these things, though? How do you pre-vet? If folks do know, they should absolutely utilize a seperate dedicated thread to speak specifically on it, to allow for the knowledge sharing, effort and discussion to be dedicated to it.

Otherwise everything is another topic within another thread which goes into another topic, for everything we have on here, which defeats the point of topic threads to begin with.

At this point, I'm gonna ask this thread to be locked, as someone(multiple ones above) didn't realize the topic that shall not be named isn't supposed to be posted anywhere at all, for obvious reasons.

Thanks for the auto-derail. Appreciate your service.

Was hoping for folks coming in to speak about music from this, but why am I not surprised? lol

uh huh
sure jan
looking at that thread history and post history
and the fact that this was posted in politics
you know what you're doing
you literally have it in your OP
you're not slick

I'll own that I was pretty reactionary in my first reply, but this is why. Now that I know, yeah that's on me.

maybe you should stop being so reactionary for once in general
I think that self reflection would be good for you

Working with JK Rowling is supporting transphobia though and that was mentioned in the first reply.

It isn't though unless you want to say that every single cast and crew member of that show supports transphobia or is transphobic. Sometimes people just take jobs and I realize he's in a more comfortable position than a random crew guy or struggling actor looking for a gig but that still doesn't mean working on that show is in itself proof that a person supports transphobia.

wut, how is specifically saying he is working with JK Rowling a driveby without detail?

Because lots of people in Hollywood are shitty, have shitty opinions or do shitty things. It's pretty much impossible to work in Hollywood in any way without associating with shitty peolple. So no, simply saying he worked with X is not giving any detail.

Rolling up with a pride flag avatar to say that working with JK is alright?

It isn't though unless you want to say that every single cast and crew member of that show supports transphobia

...they are supporting it

Like wtf are you talking about, are we gonna pretend that personal feelings or the need to survive in this capitalist hellhole negates that fact?

Zimmer is a piece of shit? Ffs can ppl just not be assholes trying to fuck ppl over these days, is that so hard.

why would anyone be willing to work with queen terf nowadays (outside of not caring about transphobia at best) idk

Every adult in the cast and anyone of means in the crew should know what she represents and what having your name tied to that means. Who's who of transphobes in my book until I learn otherwise.

As a cis dude i have learned to shut the fuck up everytime trans people are talking, because no matter what i say, i'm still effectively handwaving what trans people are saying, same goes for other oppresed groups. Your favorite artist might be an asshole and you didn't know, not knowing is part of why trans people voices need to be heard, because still in 2026 transphobia is normalized and even championed thanks to the rise of fascism.

[DavidCroquet]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ummm-whats-the-deal-with-young-women-and-astrology.1650103/page-4#post-161343157

A hard lesson I had to learn in the sciences is that a belief system isn't inherently morally superior because it appeals to science instead of superstition. Somebody saying that trans people aren't real because God says so is functionally no different than someone saying we don't exist because science says so.

Wow I'm surprised this is the first reference to this thread.

"Fellas, whats up with ladies and their horomones and periscopes and shit? My niece told me she's a 'sajj'???"

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/steam-autumn-sale-2026-october-1st-to-october-8th.1648105/page-4#post-161282998

Grabbed a ton of Train Sim World content at all time lows, this sale is incredible for catching up on those.

This shit isn't even on sale that cheap:
https://store.steampowered.com/dlc/1944790/Train_Sim_World_3/
https://store.steampowered.com/dlc/2362300/Train_Sim_World_4/
https://store.steampowered.com/dlc/2967990/Train_Sim_World_5/
https://store.steampowered.com/dlc/3656800/Train_Sim_World_6/
https://store.steampowered.com/dlc/4678800/Train_Sim_World_7/

Also I had no idea they release one of these games every single year. 

[Lonewulfeus]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/my-retina-got-detached.1650214/page-3#post-161432332

I didn't ask. I heard the doctors saying something about oil. I don't wanna know lol.

He’s not getting the bubble, sounds like they’re doing a vitrectomy and probably reattaching with a laser, the dream of dude not being able to post for a week while he recovers is dead

[Boredfrom]

Bro has the lying ability of a 5 year old. Yet half the country is like, yep he knows economy.

I think over half the country at this point, because every day, we see further signs the stupidity is spreading. And there is a smaller minority of sane folks remaining who are at risk still, due to the risk of exceptionalism potentially clouding their judgement too.

This is a generational level issue for the US, which will only continue to get worse because y'all have taken a buzzsaw to the education system where already 53% of folks only read/comprehend at a 5th grade level or below.

So now math becomes a scary concept too.

😨

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-claims-canada-has-been-imposing-secret-tariffs-on-the-us-‘nobody-knew’-except-me.1651948/

lol Dude just insulted most of the forum.

In any case, is more creepy that the worst users of the forum are Canadian.

[Orange Juice Box]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pete-hegseth%E2%80%99s-air-force-academy-speech-backdrop-draws-scrutiny-%E2%80%98accidental-nazi-is-just-not-a-thing%E2%80%99.1651639/page-2#post-161425057

Cognitive dissonance allows these ghouls to justify any atrocity as long as it supports a particular ideological crusade.

Those bad people will doxx, threaten, and harm.  Just disgusting behavior.  Thankfully when our side doxxes, threatens, and harms it's done for a good reason and it's only done to bad people. 
Can't those bad people see how bad they are?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/eyes-wide-shut-the-complicity-of-the-media-and-public-towards-tom-cruises-role-with-his-cult.1650610/#post-161367400

People love making excuses for things and entertainers they enjoy. I don't see that changing any time soon.

Abuse? Sexual assault? No problem. Cult? Eh, who cares. genAI? It's all good. Even if they claim they're against it in another thread.

BossAttack defends. 

Tom meanwhile is just a private cult member who enjoys the benefits of being a super high cult member. He doesn't campaign to kill trans folks. He's not creating government agencies with the sole purpose of cutting needed benefits of poor people. He's not building AI data centers.

Using AI is equal to rape and killing trans folks.  Era said it so now all the members have to.



 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-dont-like-cheese-on-my-hamburgers.648765/page-2#post-95670189

I'm autistic...

https://www.resetera.com/threads/steam-autumn-sale-2026-october-1st-to-october-8th.1648105/page-4#post-161282998

Grabbed a ton of Train Sim World content at all time lows, this sale is incredible for catching up on those.

 Happy for them

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ummm-whats-the-deal-with-young-women-and-astrology.1650103/page-4#post-161343157

Why single out young women? There are men who are into it too.

I don't think it's really fair to single out women for falling into a rabbit hole like that, anti science rhetoric and grifting have sky rocketed in the last decade among many populations.

Not this fucking thread again.

And equating it to antivax or manosphere incel culture???????? Nah I'm out.

It's anti-intellectual anti-science bullshit.

The comparision to the alpha-male shitfest is very apt. Both aren't harmless fun.

Nobody would take anyone serious who told them that they're a flat-earther because it's a fun hobby...

Why are we comparing this to alpha male shit when that clearly caused a great deal of harm? Wtf

 

Yeah, I'm sorry to say it but there's always more than a whiff of misogyny (and queerphobia) in discussions like these. There are tons of belief systems out there based on little more than vibes, but astrology is more popular with women and queer people so it gets held up for derision despite it being pretty damn harmless.

A lot of trans women seem to be into tarot, myself included. Probably helps that one of the best writers on the topic was a trans woman. I don't believe anything magical is happening with the cards, but I find that focusing on them in different combinations is a very useful tool for introspection and self-analysis. Hell, I've had multiple therapists deploy them as tools.

While I'm sure there are those who distrust science and enjoy astrology, I'd argue that this is correlation and not causation. Astrology likely has a certain appeal to people who've rejected science, but I really don't think dabbling in it makes you trust science less. I don't think I'm any less of a geneticist for playing with tarot cards.

A lot of people believe in pseudoscience because life is random and we want something to give it meaning and predictability. The latest pseudoscience that a huge amount of people believe in is love languages, before it was MBTI stuff. Love languages are not that harmful when taken to extreme (entirely reliant on it rather than own judgment) compared to other pseudosciences at least. Like now LLMs are the hot pseudoscience of the moment, and that has been very dangerous.

 

Same with TERFs I find, their are several influential TERFs out there, especially here in the UK that are atheists and justify their bigotry with "logic" and "common sense", same with eugenics especially during the "enlightenment" era of the 19th and 20th century that result in some of the worse racist pseudoscience that resulted in mass sterilization programs in the US; it honestly irks me when some allies try to co-opt discussion of hatred towards minorities into Atheism vs Religion (which I feel is a bit of a flawed argument in the first place because Atheist religion has been a thing for thousands of years, possibly even longer then Abrahamic religions because Atheism merely means you don't believe in a higher power, not anti-religion (I'm not even going to go into how much of much of modern atheism is built on 19th and early 20th century colonial ideas to oppress, demean, erase and exoticize the beliefs of the people Colonial empires oppressed; even TOS and TNG Star Trek have whiffs of it), it kind of ignores that many of those minorities are themselves religious and that many are strong progressives or have found hubs to speak out and be themselves thanks to that. To the issue isn't religion, it's just the tool for people's desire for power over others as with money and "objective truth" etc.

Sorry for the tangent there.

The interesting thing about astrology is that biggest criticisms I see of it come from other WLW and Lesbians, many of whom online I've seen don't like the stereotype or assumption that being a lesbian or into women = believing, liking or caring about astrology and wish it wasn't part of lesbian culture. Of course I've seen lesbian and WLW who do fully believe in it so it's not universal. Hell I've even seen this stuff online with WLW/Lesbian Witchcraft culture.

I may just be lucky but never really met anyone really into astrology, women, queer of otherwise. I do like researching their evolution of zodiacs and how the star signs have changed from culture to culture throughout history but that's just my love for history, myths and folklore talking. I honestly don't have any strong feelings either way with astrology, if people have fun, people have fun.

 

It's very funny to hear "Astrology is bad because people use it to judge others" in a thread full of people saying "This interest makes you a bad person."

I had a phase of my life when I looked down on anyone with spiritual beliefs. Then I gradually realized what an insufferable prick I was being. Way too many people use atheism as an excuse to feel superior.

I'm still pretty much an atheist, but I've grown to be a bit more circumspect. Life is hard. We lean on all manner of abstract ideas and little fictions to keep ourselves going. Any philosophy you live by is going to contain some untestable assumptions about how things work. You're not a better person because you don't think yours are superstitious.

And I really take exception to superstition being lumped in with conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theories can be a gateway to more dangerous stuff because they all ultimately require secrets to be kept by some kind of sinister international entity with its hooks in everything, and at that point all paths lead to antisemitism. "You are being lied to all the time" is an infinitely more toxic mindset than "There are things you can't see".

it's a bad thing to believe in. I don't think that necessarily makes you a bad person. Astrology is used to categorize and judge people based on the circumstances of their birth. In other contexts we recognize that prejudging peoiple based on their inherent immutable characteristics, rather than the things they do, the beliefs they hold, etc. is harmful, but I guess with astrology the nominally left leaning, progressive person gets to engage in a little prejudice as a treat.

As someone facing actual discrimination, it's comical to liken star signs to real-world prejudice with actual consequences. I'm trapped in a job I hate because I'm a trans woman, not because I'm a Capricorn. Libras don't get incarcerated at disproportionate rates. Pisces aren't banned from voting. Come on.

there *are* actual consequences, they just tend to be smaller, interpersonal things. of course astrology isn't as impactful as systemic and government-sanctioned prejudices like queerphobia, racism, misogyny, etc. but "this person is going to be a jerk because they were born on such and such date" is also not a good belief system to prop up.

They're on such vastly different scales though. Comparing them feels almost insulting. We judge others based on a ton of different factors. I guarantee you that what sports team you support is going to have more impact on how people judge you than your star sign, and nobody would consider that to be a form of prejudice worth taking seriously.

Worrying about astrological discrimination when there are huge, measurable bigotries that seriously impact lives is like worrying you're going to overshoot your destination because of continental drift. Yes, it's technically a factor, but on such a tiny scale that it has no real world impact.

This has been my experience as well. A lot of these discussions reek of reddit atheist bullshit that isn't at all applied to other relatively harmless hobbies. Hell even a lot of full in cults ir religious groups don't seem to produce the same level of smug superiority.

 

I agree that appealing to determinist ideology is psychotic and you are a psychopath for doing it.

I think the reason I'm pushing back against the idea that astrology is somehow uniquely or distinctly prejudicial is that it just feels like another argument intended to pound on women for things popular with women, the same way culture constantly conditions men to dismiss women's hobbies and interests as not valid. "This is a thing girls do, therefore it must be bad", even though the overwhelming majority of people who engage with astrology likely don't engage with it on the level people are pretending they do in this thread. A lot of people just use it to look at themselves.

Girls got her panties in a bunch.

Ever since I watched the late 2000s/early 2010s atheist/skeptic movement implode into the current fascist movement via Elevatorgate into Gamergate I've largely struggled with any argument inherently looking down at religion or superstition.

That being said, at its most reductive, I think problems begin whenever someones wants to feel externally validated about their personal beliefs. Which, while completely understandable, can escalate rapidly:

—>The current scientific consensus doesn't accept my belief is real.
—> But, based on my own experiences, my belief is correct.
—>Does that mean they're hiding the truth? What else are they hiding?
—> Well, if the experts are wrong about this belief, why can't they be wrong UAPs/telepathy/bigfoot/flat earth/vaccines/the holocaust/racial bioessentialism too?"

It's a train of thought that can easily feed into super-conspiracies about repressed knowledge, or, at its worst, outright 'academia/science has been taken over by culture marxists or postmodernist' dogwhistles. I'm not trying to argue at all that this leap in logic is inherent. Not at all. And I think astrology, in particular, is the most resistant to this sort of escalation of thought.

To some extent, it's also what happened to the atheists/skeptics who went through the alt-right rabbithole. The other side of schism, as much as it still exists as anything vaguely resembling a movement, is still doing actual science-based activism. Rebecca Watson is still making solid, pro-science, anti-woo videos as the ultimate example. Versus her detractors like Richard Dawkins, have completely abandoned science activism in favour of outward bigotry, calling himself 'a cultural christian', allying with fascist mystics like Jordan Peterson et al and engaging in conspiracy theories about academia being infiltrated. In other words, a victim of the same radicalization pipeline of rejected knowledge I outlined earlier.

You can also see it with TERFs, where they oftentimes try to frame their arguments as scientific, or based in biology. But the current consensus in any related academic field rejects their ideas categorically. But instead of accepting that their beliefs are wrong, TERFs turn to conspiracy theories about how the truth is suppressed for political reasons. And, in that arena, they are allied with other far right movements who also believe truth is being suppressed for political reasons. And suddenly the TERF to nazi/'race realist'/etc pipleine starts to begin. Likewise, if you're someone who operates under a practice that holds beliefs related to inherent, dichotomous, divine feminine, then TERFs offering a "scientific" biological explanation for your spiritual belief might start looking attractive.

Sorry for the rambling post. It's just, for a long time, like I outlined at the start, I've been hesitant to in any way criticize relatively harmless beliefs. But, historically, fascism thrives in pseudoscience. And the current fascist movement is aggressively implementing recruitment and radicalization efforts through escalation of beliefs. And we know how algorithms can feed into that radicalization. And Woo and pseudoscience can be the most incredibly effective escalation tool for the reasons I outlined above. I'm not trying to argue it happens all the time, or even most of the time, But in 2026 I can't really hold to my old position that it's harmless. Especially when, as anything approximating a functional movement, the internet atheist pipeline, as much as it was the start of the alt-right, has been replaced and subsumed by other means.

 

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Anytime someone legitimately talks about astrology, I always say "you believe stars are actually real?" We going down this hole peddle to the metal.

Stars are real. You gotta burn your trash, and let that smoke go into the sky where it turns into stars.

 

[HaughtyFrank]

"Oh you think astrology is dumb? Well logic, science and reasoning lead to fascism! How's that?"

[Nintex]

This fucking disabled person attacking chud is back out there being a fascist yet again:

Describing a “nameless” and “canceled” friend of his, Rock recalled, “Another friend of mine was like, ‘How can you be friends with that person?’ I was like, ‘If you’re only friends with your friends when they’re good, they’re not your friends.'”

Emphasizing that while that line of thinking “doesn’t mean condoning abusive behavior,” Rock launched into his hot take.

“The problem with ‘wokeness’ — and don’t get me wrong, it is great that marginalized people have a voice; it is great to advocate for anybody that feels marginalized — but the problem is we’re in the Old Testament right now,” he explained. “The Old Testament has no forgiveness. The Old Testament didn’t work, so they had to write a remix called the New Testament.”

After Marchese noted that some say the “Woke 1.0 era, which refers to the immediate post-George Floyd era, was ‘crazy,'” Rock elaborated:

"Again, it’s great to help those that need help. We need more of that. The problem is when you institutionalize it. That’s the problem.

So, my half a joke — the Salem Witch Hunts. I’m sure the first three witches they caught were actually f*cking witches. But then you open up a witch office, and now you gotta start lying. Now, you gotta f*cking make sh*t up ’cause you got overhead."

He so desperately wants to curry favor with Trump and be another Nazi star like Chapelle and Sydney Sweeney.

The current problem for "forgiveness" is that the anti-woke crowd has correctly identified that wokeism is just in hiding until the "right people" can grab power again. And secondly they demand a blood sacrifice or some type of punishment or reparations for the damage done. Which at this point boils down to an entirely polarized and dysfunctional global society. With destroyed careers thanks to HR watchdogs, plummeted birth rates due to how women were shamed for wanting a family life with an average white man and white babies and botched gender surgeries and therapy as the tippy top of the iceberg. 

Trump would be completely in his right to jail any and all advocates of the woke movement.

[benji]

I'm not even going to go into how much of much of modern atheism is built on 19th and early 20th century colonial ideas to oppress, demean, erase and exoticize the beliefs of the people Colonial empires oppressed; even TOS and TNG Star Trek have whiffs of it)

Things famously untouched by religion: empires, especially colonial ones that seek to better the foreign populations souls.

[benji]

Trump would be completely in his right to jail any and all advocates of the woke movement.

No. Absolutely not.

[Boredfrom]

Why is Echoes so stupid?  

He is as dumb as Chris Chan or Trump.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/search/49897000/?t=post&c[thread]=1650961&c[users]=ClickyCal%27&o=date

[nachobro]

Trump would be completely in his right to jail any and all advocates of the woke movement.

this is why euros can never be trusted

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/people-are-asking-chatgpt-to-help-them-decide-how-to-vote-in-the-midterms.1652044/
SilentPanda thread, Ree are gonna ask entremetGPT