Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[Uncle]

but seriously, wouldn't most people agree that notorious racist and probably-conservative HP Lovecraft expressed some great art through his writing, and has been hugely influential on tons of art that came after him?

doesn't writing something that can impart some serious horror on the reader imply some level of empathy to understand that other people would find such things frightening/horrifying? that it touches on the human condition in some way?

[Uncle]

Being fair, many of those artists also hide meanings in their art (no uncle, don’t post the history revisionism soy face meme here, there is historical prove), specially since a lot of it was commissioned.

I have no idea what you're talking about, what artists? all artists prior to 1990? what is going on

[benji]

Legitimate great right-wing art:

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but seriously, wouldn't most people agree that notorious racist and probably-conservative HP Lovecraft expressed some great art through his writing, and has been hugely influential on tons of art that came after him?

doesn't writing something that can impart some serious horror on the reader imply some level of empathy to understand that other people would find such things frightening/horrifying? that it touches on the human condition in some way?

Not really, he is mostly appreciated for creating the Cthulhu Mythos, but he wasn’t a particularly great writer. You could argue that his paranoia and phobia of the unknown was the human aspect that contributed in the creation of Cosmic horror.

[benji]

They should create a list of legitimate great left-wing art so I can go through all the examples and reframe them as right-wing.

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Being fair, many of those artists also hide meanings in their art (no uncle, don’t post the history revisionism soy face meme here, there is historical prove), specially since a lot of it was commissioned.

I have no idea what you're talking about, what artists? all artists prior to 1990? what is going on

This, dude. Obviously it also depends of the period of time, but a lot of old art was made by commission.

https://www.historyextra.com/period/renaissance/leonardo-da-vinci-art-patrons-supporters-ludovico-sforza-isabella-deste-borgias/

[Uncle]

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but seriously, wouldn't most people agree that notorious racist and probably-conservative HP Lovecraft expressed some great art through his writing, and has been hugely influential on tons of art that came after him?

doesn't writing something that can impart some serious horror on the reader imply some level of empathy to understand that other people would find such things frightening/horrifying? that it touches on the human condition in some way?

Not really, he is mostly appreciated for creating the Cthulhu Mythos, but he wasn’t a particularly great writer. You could argue that his paranoia and phobia of the unknown was the human aspect that contributed in the creation of Cosmic horror.

practically all of his stories have been adapted into movies and various other works at some point

all sleepy towns with something sinister going on owe DNA to innsmouth and its fish people, color out of space (most recently a Nicolas Cage movie), Jeffrey Combs in Re-Animator, all sorts of references everywhere

it's baked into culture, D&D's illithids, Darkest Dungeon, World of Warcraft, Eternal Darkness...

his cat is also quite famous

[Uncle]

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Being fair, many of those artists also hide meanings in their art (no uncle, don’t post the history revisionism soy face meme here, there is historical prove), specially since a lot of it was commissioned.

I have no idea what you're talking about, what artists? all artists prior to 1990? what is going on

This, dude. Obviously it also depends of the period of time, but a lot of old art was made by commission.

https://www.historyextra.com/period/renaissance/leonardo-da-vinci-art-patrons-supporters-ludovico-sforza-isabella-deste-borgias/

I don't get what your point is though, you're agreeing that no great art has been created?  or it doesn't matter if artists are conservative because they got commissioned by democrats so their creations are ok?

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but seriously, wouldn't most people agree that notorious racist and probably-conservative HP Lovecraft expressed some great art through his writing, and has been hugely influential on tons of art that came after him?

doesn't writing something that can impart some serious horror on the reader imply some level of empathy to understand that other people would find such things frightening/horrifying? that it touches on the human condition in some way?

Not really, he is mostly appreciated for creating the Cthulhu Mythos, but he wasn’t a particularly great writer. You could argue that his paranoia and phobia of the unknown was the human aspect that contributed in the creation of Cosmic horror.

practically all of his stories have been adapted into movies and various other works at some point

all sleepy towns with something sinister going on owe DNA to innsmouth and it's fish people, color out of space (most recently a Nicolas Cage movie), Jeffrey Combs in Re-Animator, all sorts of references everywhere

it's baked into culture, D&D's illithids, Darkest Dungeon, World of Warcraft, Eternal Darkness...

his cat is also quite famous

This doesn’t contradict what I said. Being influential doesn’t mean he was a great writer. This also applies to a lot of modern mainstream writers.

[Echelon]

Is Beta-Dumbfuck having to juggle ad revenue from the Israel thread with reports of his nutjob cunts making it back to Moba? Or he is breaking under the merciless mocking?

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I have no idea what you're talking about, what artists? all artists prior to 1990? what is going on

This, dude. Obviously it also depends of the period of time, but a lot of old art was made by commission.

https://www.historyextra.com/period/renaissance/leonardo-da-vinci-art-patrons-supporters-ludovico-sforza-isabella-deste-borgias/

I don't get what your point is though, you're agreeing that no great art has been created?  or it doesn't matter if artists are conservative because they got commissioned by democrats so their creations are ok?

What?  

I was saying that some works of art (paintings, poems, novels, etc) would have hidden meanings or allusions because they were commissioned or trying to hide their real opinions from censors.

[benji]

BioShock Infinite's message with the Vox Populi's "the oppressed will become just as bad as their oppressors if they violently rise up" narrative is neoliberal at best. Still enjoy the game but it's politically a big old whiff.

Nothing says intelligent political commentator like calling an ancient concept "neoliberal at best" while taking a "big old whiff" at being literate by thinking depiction is endorsement.

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-there-actually-legitimate-great-right-wing-art.791127/page-2#post-115717290

A Clock Work Orange maybe

I don't know much about Kubrick's politics but i know he wasn't a fan of the UK labor party

I mean, Conan the Barbarian exists...

[benji]

1. The oppressed violently rise up.
2. ?
3. All questions of justice, power, corruption, human nature, etc. solved forever.

[HaughtyFrank]

BioShock Infinite's message with the Vox Populi's "the oppressed will become just as bad as their oppressors if they violently rise up" narrative is neoliberal at best. Still enjoy the game but it's politically a big old whiff.

October 7:
"This is what decolonization/revolution looks like!"

[Potato]

I mean, Marvel slop is basically right wing talking points.

Extra-judicial police force using overwhelming power to stop an environmental revolutionary in order to restore the status quo. We even have one at least two main characters coming from a hereditary monarchy and another the heir to a tech fortune who exploits workers and shoots brown freedom fighters for fun.

How much more right wing do they want?

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Well, I guess they were asking about art and Marvel is clearly not art 

[Tucker's Law]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-there-actually-legitimate-great-right-wing-art.791127/page-2#post-115717290

A Clock Work Orange maybe

I don't know much about Kubrick's politics but i know he wasn't a fan of the UK labor party

I mean, Conan the Barbarian exists...

“Let me tell you of the days of high adventure.” <badass right wing music begins playing>

[BIONIC]

Whenever I see someone say “if you banned X then you should also ban Y”, it always seems like less of a call to ban Y and more of a call to unban X.

Valid requests sometimes tbh. I hate seeing some of the best members of our community drop off like flies because of one edgy post out of a thousand positive posts they made. Banning should be a follow up if a warning doesn’t work rather than the first resort. It creates a culture where you can even see other members of the forum become bloodthirsty to get people banned.

Oh I was talking about the banning of topics, not members. I see now that wasn’t clear.

Ohh gotcha

Yeah a little bit different there, though consistency is still nice. Like if Cyberpunk is banned then does seem like we should also ban discussion of Persona for example.

I'll grant you - people will often start volunteering properties to be banned just to illustrate the absurdity of it. Not really sure about the answer to that. I don't actually want to be banned from talking about Persona. :P

God, will this "If we banned X why not ban Y?" Line of questioning ever fucking end? Cyberpunk discussions aren't even fully banned! And it took a really long and intense time for discussion to get restricted and it was a HUGE ordeal. The way people talk about it like the supposed ban just fell randomly out of the sky irks me to no end. I feel like I'm going crazy every time it comes up.

Persona didn't have an advertising campaign that was transphobic, there's scenes in the game that are homophobic/transphobic, but they're minor parts of it, instead of point that's plastered everywhere across the game.

You can still talk about persona and acknowledge that it has problematic aspects. Hell you can still talk about Cyberpunk and acknowledge that it has those aspects, but CDPR and CP2077 went further than persona did, so it's silo'd.

It isn't even banned people. Mentions of other things just feel like gaslighting at this point.

If you're so concerned about Atlus(I say this as it isn't just Persona, Catherine exists), go make a thread about it. You won't because you don't actually care, you're just trying to score points and being dishonest. Funny how the word 'mob' is used as that is what a not small amount of people referred to trans members here when they saw through Black Chambers obvious dogwhistles three years ago.

Never forget "everyone is welcome 💯"

Yeah I'm not a fan of this revisionist history of how minor the Cyberpunk situation was, when CDPR was pulling off incredibly inflammatory marketing stunts that just generated shit-tons of transphobia. Even on this site, people were arguing at trans people that we were "overreacting" or "not getting it", and the fires were purposefully being stoked by the original OT creator for quite a while before they were caught out. It was a shitshow, not a stroll in the park.

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-there-actually-legitimate-great-right-wing-art.791127/page-2#post-115717290

I mean, Conan the Barbarian exists...

“Let me tell you of the days of high adventure.” <badass right wing music begins playing>

Basil Poledouris man!

Check out his scores for Starship Troopers, Hunt for Red October and RoboCop for more right wing glory!!

[benji]

And it took a really long and intense time for discussion to get restricted and it was a HUGE ordeal. The way people talk about it like the supposed ban just fell randomly out of the sky irks me to no end. I feel like I'm going crazy every time it comes up.

Persona didn't have an advertising campaign that was transphobic, there's scenes in the game that are homophobic/transphobic, but they're minor parts of it, instead of point that's plastered everywhere across the game.

You can still talk about persona and acknowledge that it has problematic aspects. Hell you can still talk about Cyberpunk and acknowledge that it has those aspects, but CDPR and CP2077 went further than persona did, so it's silo'd.

It isn't even banned people. Mentions of other things just feel like gaslighting at this point.

If you're so concerned about Atlus(I say this as it isn't just Persona, Catherine exists), go make a thread about it. You won't because you don't actually care, you're just trying to score points and being dishonest. Funny how the word 'mob' is used as that is what a not small amount of people referred to trans members here when they saw through Black Chambers obvious dogwhistles three years ago.

Never forget "everyone is welcome 💯"

Yeah I'm not a fan of this revisionist history of how minor the Cyberpunk situation was, when CDPR was pulling off incredibly inflammatory marketing stunts that just generated shit-tons of transphobia. Even on this site, people were arguing at trans people that we were "overreacting" or "not getting it", and the fires were purposefully being stoked by the original OT creator for quite a while before they were caught out. It was a shitshow, not a stroll in the park.

They even accused others of gaslighting while in the middle of gaslighting everyone.

[HaughtyFrank]

Yeah I'm not a fan of this revisionist history of how minor the Cyberpunk situation was, when CDPR was pulling off incredibly inflammatory marketing stunts that just generated shit-tons of transphobia. Even on this site, people were arguing at trans people that we were "overreacting" or "not getting it", and the fires were purposefully being stoked by the original OT creator for quite a while before they were caught out. It was a shitshow, not a stroll in the park.

I like how the example of transphobia is people not believing your bullshit

[benji]

I guess Thordinson took his argument about how "leftists" know we're in the middle of a depression to Twitter:

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[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-ongoing-israel-palestine-conflict-news-thread-see-staff-posts-for-posting-guidelines.772478/page-227#post-115724076

Many of the Palestinian people I follow on Twitter are writing their own eulogies and goodbyes to the world that's been deaf to their suffering. Bisan, Motaz... All the voices that have recounted the genocide throughout these past two months. And the occupation, the apartheid. And we are left here powerless, watching this crime unfold before our eyes. Watching the people in power do nothing. No, they aren't doing nothing. They are arming those Nazis. They are supplying weapons, bombs. They are criminalising the dissent. And you can tell me that history won't be kind to them. But what's history's use when all those people are dead, just forgotten names. Just numbers.
Humanity is rotten to the core.

[Tucker's Law]

I mean, Conan the Barbarian exists...

“Let me tell you of the days of high adventure.” <badass right wing music begins playing>

Basil Poledouris man!

Check out his scores for Starship Troopers, Hunt for Red October and RoboCop for more right wing glory!!

The loonies will allow for Starship Troopers because of Verhoeven’s lack of interest in actually trying to adapt the book itself, instead giving his (admittedly entertaining) blunt satire of fascistic militarization.

[benji]

The loonies will allow for Starship Troopers because of Verhoeven’s lack of interest in actually trying to adapt the book itself, instead giving his (admittedly entertaining) blunt satire of fascistic militarization.

I've seen it criticized because hypothetical chuds won't know it's satire.

[AldusMoneyPenny]

The Witness is very strongly about a kind of fascination for the natural world and the rules that underpin it, that's kind of two jumps away to the fascination of the scientific enterprise as love for the science canon. I wouldn't say that it's "right wing" especially but i would say it goes hand in hand with people who are assured that if their method is correct, no one else needs to be listened to. Which isn't to say that the game is a thesis on everything, because it isn't, but the wonder of the game is a wonder of a certain kind that's not quite aligned with progressivist values i think. That's my personal feeling about it tbh.

And that's politics it just isn't politics in the colloquial sense of discussing how the state governs

Now I see why they're so tolerant of even the most oppressive religious stuff - science and knowing things is right wing

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-there-actually-legitimate-great-right-wing-art.791127/post-115716186

[benji]

Come back Nepenthe, we miss you queen. 

[HaughtyFrank]

The silencing of Muslim and Arab voices across Western media and the blatantly biased coverage on Palestine is unprecedented. The speed at which the establishment in Western society has embraced fascism is a warning signal for those of us who live here. The democracy and human rights brand is a facade. We are seeing their true face now.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-ongoing-israel-palestine-conflict-news-thread-see-staff-posts-for-posting-guidelines.772478/post-115727436

First of all, cancel culture doesn't exist, but also, I think western media has been critical of Israel? Do they want CNN to just yell genocide and say that anything Israel claims is a lie?

[benji]

ResetERA.com going to have a thread for this? Time for the cis allies to stand up against genocide imo:

[Uncle]

The silencing of Muslim and Arab voices across Western media and the blatantly biased coverage on Palestine is unprecedented. The speed at which the establishment in Western society has embraced fascism is a warning signal for those of us who live here. The democracy and human rights brand is a facade. We are seeing their true face now.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-ongoing-israel-palestine-conflict-news-thread-see-staff-posts-for-posting-guidelines.772478/post-115727436

First of all, cancel culture doesn't exist, but also, I think western media has been critical of Israel? Do they want CNN to just yell genocide and say that anything Israel claims is a lie?

this is just so fucking boring

I have read nearly identical messages for the last decade

if the current state of things is what it's like to live under the true face of fascism and ongoing mass genocides, I will be the first to say that life like this is pretty good and seems preferable to a lot of other circumstances