Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[Boredfrom]

Something that I found is that the CEO of Pocketpair also (at least according to Pocketpair's website) prior to getting into game development founded a crypto exchange as well (it was "hacked" in 2018 which for crypto exchanges actually means stole from customers funds, though I'm not sure if this was planned from the beginning or after Mizobe left), so it's clear that Mizobe has had a history of unethical behavior.

[Boredfrom]

So the smoking gun of “exact proportions” may be exaggerated:

Just to be clear, that guy clarified he does not mean the model was literally found inside the other model

https://www.resetera.com/threads/vgc-palworld-embroiled-in-ai-and-pokémon-‘plagiarism’-controversy.807630/page-59?post=118002762#post-118002762

[Taco Bell Tower]

 

They can't be that stupid, right?  Right?

[Potato]

Nepenthe on ResetERA.com: PROTECT THE CORPORATE ARTISTS, ANTICAPITALISM DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN USE IP

Nepenthe on Twitter:

I called it. I knew it was all about their fucking fanfiction being ignored.

I've seen this claim said a few times in the palworld copyright discourse but as someone who has played both, I don't see it
literally all I can think of is toriyama's dragons looking very vaguely similar to charizard
you got anything else? is monjar supposed to be psyduck or something?

A lot of creatures/designs/attacks/maps/mechanics etc. were certainly inspired by other games including Dragon Quest but the thing that most people forget is that Pokemon released in 1996. So a whole bunch of Dragon Quests, Zelda's and Final Fantasy games released before it. I see it a bit like The Crew Motorfest. It's clearly inspired by Forza Horizon but very much its own thing despite the similarities. And if big publishers like Ubisoft can make games like that, why isn't an indie Japanese dev allowed to?

You're looking at this all wrong. They're allowed to copy, they're just not allowed to be successful. 
That's the thing a Reee hates most of all. 
Why can't their 24 volume Game of Thrones/Harry Potter fanfiction be successful? Why did Pokeguns hit it rich and their similar idea (Pokemon X hentai dating Sim) which they've put no effort into actually creating, isn't the hottest thing on Steam right now?

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Nep should keep to anthros instead of humans. They do the cartoony animals well enough but that Lucario face is terrible.

[Potato]

Didn’t know she owned Lucio.

FACT CHECK: It's not plagiarism, it's homage and besides Blizzard isn't doing it forcing her to make it. Also she made all the art herself rather than typing "make me Lucio" into an AI prompt.

I'd think the final product would unintentionally veer closer towards parody than homage knowing nepnep.

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/polygon-anime-is-huge-heres-data-on-whos-consuming-it.808251/page-4?post=117994644#post-117994644

User banned (permanent): inflammatory accusations, long history of inflammatory commentary

My guess for the breakdown would have been -

Paedophiles - 50%
Japan Culture Experts - 25%
"Ephebophiles" - 25%

    Hit dogs hollering?


Speaking of

https://www.resetera.com/threads/polygon-anime-is-huge-heres-data-on-whos-consuming-it.808251/page-4?post=117994644#post-117994644

Deserved ban. 

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Ban all anime.

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/polygon-anime-is-huge-heres-data-on-whos-consuming-it.808251/page-4?post=117994644#post-117994644

    Hit dogs hollering?


Speaking of

Deserved ban. 

Hell yeah I’m right.

[Potato]

They can't be that stupid, right?  Right?

[Boredfrom]

Lol, the plagiarism thing is funny.

I think there's totally signs of it but I don't really care to convince anyone and I think the outright denial that there aren't any signs at all is more funny than anything. I don't care if The Pokemon Company attempts to do anything either or if they have any grounds to, and am more concerned with the internet's incessant need to pick a side over everything and delude any nuanced discussion into Black & White (this phrase is not owned be Nintendo) thinking.

I’m pretty sure you are one the guys that plays the game of picking between two sides.

[benji]

While I think they want an authoritarian state if they got their way… in this case is just “Nintendo+Pokemon=Childhood=Good” rather than anything else beyond that. They probably see Nintendo and TPC as some sort of underdogs against the “adult world” of steam and tech bros stealing from artists.

Someone could posit that many online socialists are in fact of the belief that life should be like they thought their childhood was (or should have been) and that it is everyone else's duty to provide it to free them from anything resembling responsibility. Someone could point to their description of victimhood basically being childhood where everyone has no agency and nothing is their fault because they don't know any better and react emotionally with the greatest fear being a lack of "safety" perceived purely as any time discomfort happens. Someone could point to the constant adoption of new "unique" identities that share common traits which is typical for children as they attempt to discover their place in the world and with "safety" lacking how they will prefer to focus on a fantasy world over the actual thing. Someone might even look at how children are often black-and-white extreme thinkers, susceptible to emotional appeals and fallacies, are dominated by short-term thinking and focusing extensively only on the things in front of them, struggle to read social situations and perceive abstract ideas accurately, overestimate their knowledge about the world from lack of experience, are prone to read criticism as personal affront against them, etc. I won't, of course, I would never, but someone could.

[Potato]

I mean, who gives a fuck if you're not a Pokemon developer or artist?

Is a rip off impacting your enjoyment of the Pokemon games?

If so, maybe you need to analyse your relationship with your kideo games.

Are all the Demon's Souls rip offs impacting your enjoyment of Elden Ring? What about all the Doom clones? I hear the Harvest Moon fans are ready to commit sudoku because of Stardew Valley...

[benji]

I mean, who gives a fuck if you're not a Pokemon developer or artist?

Is a rip off impacting your enjoyment of the Pokemon games?

If so, maybe you need to analyse your relationship with your kideo games.

Are all the Demon's Souls rip offs impacting your enjoyment of Elden Ring? What about all the Doom clones? I hear the Harvest Moon fans are ready to commit sudoku because of Stardew Valley...

IT'S ABOUT ETHICS IN VIDEO GAME ART

[Potato]

I mean, who gives a fuck if you're not a Pokemon developer or artist?

Is a rip off impacting your enjoyment of the Pokemon games?

If so, maybe you need to analyse your relationship with your kideo games.

Are all the Demon's Souls rip offs impacting your enjoyment of Elden Ring? What about all the Doom clones? I hear the Harvest Moon fans are ready to commit sudoku because of Stardew Valley...

IT'S ABOUT ETHICS IN VIDEO GAME ART

[Boredfrom]

You can be against plagiarism and corporate shutdowns of fan projects at the same time. The difference is that those fan projects aren't trying to make a profit by stealing while this studio is doing exactly that.

You can also be against plagiarism (overall) while finding this situation hilarious and how people are acting like Nintendo is a small studio without resources to eliminate this game from the face of the planet if they legally can.

Also, many of you guys were defending Gary Bowser and that he was justified in getting even with Nintendo:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gary-bowser-and-team-xecuter-seems-to-be-back-in-the-switch-hacking-scene-mvg-video.801147/

Many posters compared his sentence with indenture slavery and decried Nintendo legal team.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Palworld is bad.. because.. because.. IT JUST IS!! 

[benji]

"stealing"

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Imagine caping for corporations. Art belongs to the people. No real tankie stans for Nintendo. 

[books]

What about the genocides?

[Besticus Maximus]

I'm being sued for plagiarism by Monty Python because of this thread

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

What about the genocides?

Old news. Who fucking cares about backwater muslims when we can bitch about a pokemon ripoff instead.

[Polident]

Trying to get context for whatever this pal thing is about. Pretty funny what the developer’s previous game was. Among Us based around AI Art?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2154230/AI_Art_Impostor/

Before that, Zelda BOTW with Fortnite?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1307550/Craftopia/

An upcoming release is Hollow Knight with crafting?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2395770/Never_Grave_The_Witch_and_The_Curse/

Looking at the Pocket Pair’s site,

At Pocketpair, we value not only users but also developers who make games very much. Overtime is basically nonexistent. Attendance hours are also flexible. With a focus on in-house development, we have a relaxed development process. We also have comprehensive welfare benefits, creating an environment where game development can be done comfortably and with a relaxed mindset. Instead of competing with other companies in terms of quality, we are pioneering a unique path with unique ideas.

In the game industry, there are conventions. For example... 'Do not deviate from the axis of play,' 'Elements should be narrowed down,' 'Bugs must be fixed.' At Pocketpair, while understanding the background of these conventions, we flexibly ignore them in line with the times. Games that have paved the way in recent years, such as Minecraft and Fortnite, have always been entirely new games that do not adhere to these conventions.

So, their whole deal is throwing stuff at a wall to see what sticks and something finally did. There’s nothing particularly nefarious here. It’s gameloft stuff.

[Not an Alt Account]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/palworld-now-over-6-million-copies-sold.808365/

The absolute butthurt:

do we really need a thread for every million this game sells? it's well known that the game rightfully rubs a lot of folks the wrong way.

Honestly this. One thread for sales should be adequate to discuss it.

Plagiarism does not deserve praise.

One small step for direhowl, one giant leap for plagiarism.

And locked by guess who:

Discuss the units sold in the existing sales thread.

[Nintex]

I wonder when the Palworld suicide threads emerge

[Cauliflower Of Love]

What about the genocides?

Well this is a transgression.

[Nintex]

GameFreak is being genocided by Palworld and AI and Genocide Joe doesn't do anything to save Pikachu from dying 

[Polident]

What about the genocides?

According to their website,

Prohibited Activities

• Promotion of specific beliefs, political or religious messages
  

Making an image of Fikachu saying trans rights opens you up for suing 

[D3RANG3D]

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[Besticus Maximus]

Everything Nepenthe gets involved in is wrong, ridiculous, spiteful and reactionary