Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[Uncle]

It's also wrong to say that you can't use the bathroom anymore, you just have to use the one you think is the wrong one. Which yes, can feel shitty, but women feeling like a man is in their space also feels shitty.

and the latter causes a greater number of people to feel shitty

the net negative experiences encountered by the global population are increased, compared to the alternative

[Uncle]

imagine I have a horrible uncontrollable bowel syndrome and there is no cure and the doctors say the only thing we can do is normalize my situation so I feel comfortable and not stigmatized

the medically recommended action is to squat in the middle of wal-mart and take a fat shit on the floor, moan loudly in relief, then perform a half-hearted clean up and deposit it in the nearest receptacle

everyone else is expected not to call attention to this or even make a face, they're supposed to say "wow so brave, we accept you as you are"

all those people who claim they're negatively impacted by my actions need to suck it up and stop being bigoted, I mean it's 2024 people

[kaleidoscopium]

Wanted to dive into their "10 steps of genocide" a little better, the article they source for it is pretty poor and instead assumes that you already know what the steps are, and is giving solutions to each step instead of how we are currently in that step.

This article seems to lay them out better, so I will put theirs alongside the resetera list:

https://www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/what-is-genocide/the-ten-stages-of-genocide/

Classification – The differences between people are not respected. There’s a division of ‘us’ and ‘them’ which can be carried out using stereotypes, or excluding people who are perceived to be different.

Classification: By nature, yes. Trans people and cis people are different.

Notice how the resetera member actually engages in "genocidal thought" with their statement that yes by nature the two groups are different and divided into "us" and "them"?
Edit: Not to mention the obvious "classification" that goes on with that group on that site in regards to "cis white men". Needless to say this genocidal marker isn't being reached for the TransERA community.

Symbolisation – This is a visual manifestation of hatred. Jews in Nazi Europe were forced to wear yellow stars to show that they were ‘different’.

Symbolization: Sure. But as Stanton says, "Classification and symbolization are universally human and do not necessarily result in genocide unless they lead to dehumanization".

Again, missing the point here of a FORCED visual distinction. This does not exist in any sense for these people.

Discrimination – The dominant group denies civil rights or even citizenship to identified groups. The 1935 Nuremberg Laws stripped Jews of their German citizenship, made it illegal for them to do many jobs or to marry German non-Jews.

Discrimination: You betcha. Missouri's AG just effectively stopped gender-related health care for trans citizens. A trans lawmaker in Montana is being prevented from speaking on any bills. 36% of transgender youth in the US live in states that have already banned trans-related health care. Last year it was 18% (Bans on Best Practice Medical Care for Transgender Youth). We are seeing this in the UK as well. The Equality and Human Rights Commission has proposed that protections and rights based on gender in the UK should be based on "biological sex". This would exclude trans people from single-sex spaces, allow arbitrary discrimination, and remove protections like equal pay from trans women (The EHRC wants to redefine sex. Here's what it means for trans people).

They don't name the civil rights that are being denied here, the first article they source is also misleading as the headline even changed. And it doesn't deny healthcare, it adds some guard rails:

The order requires transgender patients — without specifying age — to undergo at least 15 hour-long sessions of therapy over the course of at least 18 months before seeking gender-affirming care. It also requires physicians to track “all adverse effects” of gender-affirming care for at least 15 years, and to determine whether the patient has autism.

Having any mental health issues, including depression and anxiety, would apparently disqualify trans people from accessing gender-affirming care in the state. 

This seems fairly reasonable to me. Denying civil rights or citizenship? Not in the slightest.

Dehumanisation – Those perceived as ‘different’ are treated with no form of human rights or personal dignity. During the Genocide against the Tutsi in Rwanda, Tutsis were referred to as ‘cockroaches’; the Nazis referred to Jews as ‘vermin’.

Dehumanization: Yes. Vilification of trans people as groomers, pedophiles, child abusers, etc. is rampant in media and in legislatures. Trans people are animals. We are "demons and imps" and "mutants from another planet". Trans customers should be removed from areas where there are children. This is textbook justification for eradication of a group. To provide a point of comparison, note how Donald Trump referred to the so-called radical left (among other groups) as "vermin" or stated immigrants were "poisoning the blood of society." Similar dehumanizing language to soften people's perceptions to stochastic or officially state-sanctioned violence against "enemy" groups.

They source a lot of quotes to try and prove this point, yet reading the articles show they are again misrepresenting or outright lying.
Animal claim:

State Rep. John Fillmore, the bill’s sponsor, said during the hearing that he “proposed this bill just to give clarity in government documents and was hoping to avoid the whole gender identity issue on the gender dysphoria,” according to a video of the hearing.

"What’s going to happen when someday someone wakes up and they want to go to a far extreme and identify as a chicken or something, for crying out loud,” he added. “Where do we draw the line?”

This is asking what the limits are, not saying that "trans people are animals". He was also voted out in the next election, so clearly the will of the people didn't agree with his "dehumanization".
The demons and imps one is true, but he apologized afterwards because of the reaction he got from other members of government and populace. "Trans customers should be removed from areas where there are children." sources an anonymous reddit post where even that post says they will also remove hotel guests that are discriminating against trans guests...

Needless to say, the signs of "dehumanization" aren't there.

Organisation – Genocides are always planned. Regimes of hatred often train those who go on to carry out the destruction of a people.

Organization: Inside the Secret Working Group That Helped Push Anti-Trans Laws. State legislatures are becoming anti-trans bill factories all working from the same playbook. Having a form where citizens report their trans neighbors or doctors providing assistance to trans people to the government (current status of this "hotline" unknown) is bringing the public in on it.

This one seems on it's face to be a smoking gun, but as before looking into their links further it falls apart pretty easily. The "secret Working Group" is a group working on legislation, namely in the avenue of stopping kids from getting this medical coverage before they are 18. Not exactly a secret when they have names like "Child & Parental Rights Campaign", "Alliance Defending Freedom", and "American College of Pediatricians". These are pretty bog standard Christian advocacy groups pushing to limit underage medical transitions basically.


The "Having a form where citizens report their trans neighbors or doctors providing assistance to trans people to the government" claim is actually a press release that they link saying they will set up a form "where those who have experienced harm from gender transition interventions or witnessed troubling practices at transition clinics in Missouri can submit their concerns". This is again not born out of nothing, but instead born out of an actual crisis:

a St. Louis pediatric transgender center that has been accused by a whistleblower of using experimental drugs on children, distributing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones without individualized assessment, and even giving children these life-altering drugs without parental consent

But in the end: What is the plan? Where is the training? Where is the destruction? This one, like the previous 4, seems to be not meeting the threshold.

That's just the first 5, will go through the next 5 in another post.

[Snoopy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/was-told-i-was-overqualified-for-a-job-that-i-am-not-overqualified-for.811302/

These people do not understand social niceties at all

[Uncle]

why do all my best posts about bowel movements get bottompaged

[Puffy Fucking Baby]

sometimes this stuff is fascinating and you can empathize a bit with the mindset, like deaf people who have their own culture and memes who are worried about cures/mitigations to deafness because then their children won't grow up with their culture, they'll become (gasp) normies

ignoring that of course hearing is such a massive advantage in life that it ought to be preferable to maintaining an insular culture

It’s often said that when a fat lady is losing weight, her skinny friends are supporting while the fat ones are bitter and discouraging. Maybe that’s more about women than fat people.

the "fat activist" movement is insane, like lizzo getting death threats for working out insane

[Uncle]

Wanted to dive into their "10 steps of genocide" a little better, the article they source for it is pretty poor and instead assumes that you already know what the steps are, and is giving solutions to each step instead of how we are currently in that step.

I had gone through this in-depth back on old bore, if you drill all the way down to the original source of the 10 steps of genocide, it is so different from their casual interpretation of the shorthand words used that it's utterly laughable

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=48241.msg3100720;topicseen#msg3100720

The first step, the very first step of "classification" in an actual genocide involves stripping people of their citizenship

these dipshits read just that word and said "oh yeah people have classified us as trans, they identify us as trans people so yeah that counts"

I guess cheese is on step 1 of genocide because it's classified as cheddar vs. gouda vs. captain marvel

[kaleidoscopium]

Wanted to dive into their "10 steps of genocide" a little better, the article they source for it is pretty poor and instead assumes that you already know what the steps are, and is giving solutions to each step instead of how we are currently in that step.

I had gone through this in-depth back on old bore, if you drill all the way down to the original source of the 10 steps of genocide, it is so different from their casual interpretation of the shorthand words used that it's utterly laughable

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=48241.msg3100720;topicseen#msg3100720

The first step, the very first step of "classification" in an actual genocide involves stripping people of their citizenship

these dipshits read just that word and said "oh yeah people have classified us as trans, they identify us as trans people so yeah that counts"

I guess cheese is on step 1 of genocide because it's classified as cheddar vs. gouda vs. captain marvel

That's what I'm learning, they don't understand what any of these steps mean even at a surface level reading. It's... astounding how retarded they are, especially about a topic they seem to care so much about.

Thanks so much for bringing this back. And thanks to the staff for stickying it again. Here's hoping people will actually pay attention this time.

Oh we are paying attention buddy

[HardcoreRetro]

the "fat activist" movement is insane, like lizzo getting death threats for working out insane

At least the fat influencers don't need death threats.

Just put "fat influencer who died" in google.

*stifles laughter when seeing the articles*

Yup, tragic.

[HardcoreRetro]

Hehehehe, more like death treats.

[kaleidoscopium]

Back 5 of their "Genocide" checkpoints:

Polarisation – Propaganda begins to be spread by hate groups. The Nazis used the newspaper Der Stürmer to spread and incite messages of hate about Jewish people.

Polarization: Yeah, we are certainly at hate groups broadcasting polarizing propaganda.

This seems like the easiest one to check, but it also applies to literally any group. Is there now a Jewish Genocide going on when moderators of Resetera promote Antisemitic conspiracies on their forum? Is there a CIS GENDER genocide going on when members of the Resetera forum broadcast polarizing propaganda? We have also seen multiple trans shooters at this point who claim they were incited by extremist rhetoric from streamers like VOWSH claiming there was a trans genocide going on, isn't this itself "broadcasting polarizing propaganda"?

Preparation – Perpetrators plan the genocide. They often use euphemisms such as the Nazis’ phrase ‘The Final Solution’ to cloak their intentions. They create fear of the victim group, building up armies and weapons.

Preparation: We're definitely indoctrinating the populace with fear of the victim group, stripping our rights while claiming to "protect our children". CPAC Speaker Calls for Transgender People to Be 'Eradicated'

From their link:

During his speech on Saturday, Knowles told the crowd, “For the good of society … transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely — the whole preposterous ideology, at every level.”

Knowles subsequently claimed that “eradicating” “transgenderism” is not a call for eradicating transgender people and demanded retractions from numerous publications, including Rolling Stone.

This one seems already debunked by the lack of evidence and referencing other points, there is no plan or "cloaked intentions" here.

Persecution – Victims are identified because of their ethnicity or religion and death lists are drawn up. People are sometimes segregated into ghettos, deported or starved and property is often expropriated. Genocidal massacres begin.

Persecution: Yes, we're here now, too. Texas has turned the Deparment of Family and Protective Services into a posse investigating parents of trans kids (Governor's Letter). Last year, Florida passed a law that would give the state custody of a child if that child transitions. (SB254). That's a bad sign in this direction, especially when it was passed by a sitting governor who was running to become president.

No one is identified based on Ethnicity or Religion, no death lists are "drawn up". People arenot being separated into ghettos, deported, starved or having property stolen. The fact they didn't actually read what this one is supposed to be is self evident by claiming that investigating parents is comparable in any sense. So no, we are not "here now, too" as we haven't been anywhere for any of these thus far.

Extermination – The hate group murders their identified victims in a deliberate and systematic campaign of violence. Millions of lives have been destroyed or changed beyond recognition through genocide.

Extermination: Not yet, but not for lack of trying from some individuals and groups. The openly known Project 2025, the list of aims of a second Trump Administration, will put the LGBTQ+ community in harm's way, defining trans people's mere existence as "pornographic." With entire communities forced to go (further) underground, it will only make harsher actions by anti-trans politicians easier to be carried out. Project 2025's aims also entail the effective dismantling of conventional federal government, further weakening if not outright destroying whatever protections are afforded to trans folks. I would like to remind everyone that between 2017 and 2021, the Trump Administration was able to push through a Muslim-majority nation travel ban, child separation border policies, a trans military ban, and an attempted coup to disrupt the peaceful transition of power. And in Trump's absence from power, predominantly Republican lawmakers have escalated their rhetoric and discrimination against those across the entire LGBTQ+ umbrella, trans people in particular. Now imagine what a now-experienced Donald Trump could push for or approve of with the help of a political party that would have regained control of the Executive Branch.

This one disproves itself, and them even attempting to correlate like this is showing how depraved they are.

Denial – The perpetrators or later generations deny the existence of any crime.

Denial: You betcha.

The only ones living in Denial at this point in the list are the members of TransEra claiming there is a genocide. So far only 1 of these 10 is achievable, which is also achievable by every other group out there. So no, we don't betcha.


And that's the end of their 10 steps of Genocide, clearly they didn't read this the first time as shown by Uncle in the previous site and didn't read it this second time for their repost.

[Uncle]

sorry wasn't trying to steal your thunder

[Besticus Maximus]

More people have died of boredom reading their shite

[Propagandhim]

Nothing screams genocide like having to plead the case 10 times in order to convince people of it.  Here I thought it was pretty obvious.  God, I'm such a dumbass.

"You betcha!"

[jooseloose]

I don't know how to get more people to care. The trans community is so wonderful, so diverse, so vivid. Culturally rich, with a beautiful history of forging through the dark to find light. Of grabbing life with such force that you can steer it. You can hear it in the stories we tell, see it in the memes we make, the art we produce.  Yet we're constantly talking about fucking toilets or changing rooms.

This whole thing is supremely upsetting.

Why the fuck does Kyuuji always talk about trans people like they're some mythical, fantasy, higher beings rather than just people like everyone else?

[kaleidoscopium]

sorry wasn't trying to steal your thunder

Not a problem, happy to see I wasn't the only one to come to the same conclusion upon reading their manifesto

[malfoyking]

I don't know how to get more people to care. The trans community is so wonderful, so diverse, so vivid. Culturally rich, with a beautiful history of forging through the dark to find light. Of grabbing life with such force that you can steer it. You can hear it in the stories we tell, see it in the memes we make, the art we produce.  Yet we're constantly talking about fucking toilets or changing rooms.

This whole thing is supremely upsetting.

Why the fuck does Kyuuji always talk about trans people like they're some mythical, fantasy, higher beings rather than just people like everyone else?

Because these online modern ones are all narcissistic assholes that really believe they're special.

[Uncle]

Nothing screams genocide like having to plead the case 10 times in order to convince people of it.  Here I thought it was pretty obvious.  God, I'm such a dumbass.

"You betcha!"

nothing screams the ungodly fear of imminent death like communicating like a 50 year old Minnesotan mom

[kaleidoscopium]

it reeks of "mom said its my turn for the genocide!!!"

[Polident]

sometimes this stuff is fascinating and you can empathize a bit with the mindset, like deaf people who have their own culture and memes who are worried about cures/mitigations to deafness because then their children won't grow up with their culture, they'll become (gasp) normies

ignoring that of course hearing is such a massive advantage in life that it ought to be preferable to maintaining an insular culture

It’s often said that when a fat lady is losing weight, her skinny friends are supporting while the fat ones are bitter and discouraging. Maybe that’s more about women than fat people.

the "fat activist" movement is insane, like lizzo getting death threats for working out insane

Sometimes I think about how Lizzo fat shamed her dancers. Often, actually. I have to stop myself from bringing it up in casual conversation.

[PogiJones]

"You betcha!"

Same energy:

(0:15)

[Propagandhim]

[NekoFever]

It's been morbid to think about how we're just not going to get that much support because our genocide isn't "flashy", it's by banning all the ways we can exist in society. They don't need to make a big showing of rounding us up and killing us when laws will slowly bleed us dry.

Certainly a choice to call actual genocide “flashy”

“Flashy” is slang for “real”.

[Boredfrom]

People are expecting too much from the rest of the game

https://www.resetera.com/threads/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2-extended-gameplay-reveal.811341/page-2

[Vertigo]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/its-2024-and-yes-its-still-a-trans-genocide-an-faq-and-what-you-can-do-about-it-today-and-beyond.811257/

After almost a day 1,170 views and 25 replies

I would imagine most people have sadly added it to ignore. I know I will.

The Ree trans mafia has done untold damage to their own best interests by being absolute bullying idiots

[Uncle]

"You betcha!"

Same energy:

(0:15)

[Eric Cartman]

Often people find it hard to connect the bans to this, viewing them as individual fragments rather than a whole. So, it would mean working without being able to use the bathroom. It would mean having no support group if you were violently assaulted, at a time where you are over four times more likely than cis people to experience violent victimization. Including rape, sexual assault, and aggravated or simple assault. It would mean you couldn't go shopping for a wedding dress as you can't access the changing room. You couldn't have a child and go to a mother and child class. You couldn't find friends through a women's book club. You couldn't even survive a car accident and be left unconscious without cis fears trying to hide you away on a different ward.

[citation needed]

[Boredfrom]

Zeo cannot help himself:

Avengers at least had a solid story campaign.

And I'd say one of the big turnoffs of SS is that they just gave everyone guns. Characters in Avengers each felt unique and their power sets were true to the characters.

This has a solid story campaign though

The story is very bad and horribly written.

I agree with you on this but man, you are out for this game in every thread…

Nope, I'm just replying like everyone else.

 I don't see everyone else feeling the need to reply 5 times to say the game is bad, but sure.

Okay. Hope you have that same energy for the people defending the game in multiple threads as well.

Wait, wat? 

 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/suicide-squad-kill-the-justice-league-review-thread.811356/page-3?post=118422108#post-118422018

[kaleidoscopium]

No idea what they are citing, but for the 2022 hate crime in the US statistics:
https://www.justice.gov/crs/highlights/2022-hate-crime-statistics

Increase in Hate Crimes: The data reveals that hate crime incidents increased by 794 in 2022. There were 11,634 cases, compared to 10,840 in 2021.

LGBTQI+ Targeted Crimes: Incidents targeting gay men reached 1,075, while anti-lesbian incidents numbered 622. Both categories recorded their highest totals in the past five years and increased by more than 10% since 2021. A significant increase of nearly 40% was observed in reported anti-transgender incidents (totaling 338) compared to 2021.

So an increase, but definitely not 4x higher, not even the highest in their own subsection.

[Eric Cartman]

No idea what they are citing, but for the 2022 hate crime in the US statistics:
https://www.justice.gov/crs/highlights/2022-hate-crime-statistics

Increase in Hate Crimes: The data reveals that hate crime incidents increased by 794 in 2022. There were 11,634 cases, compared to 10,840 in 2021.

LGBTQI+ Targeted Crimes: Incidents targeting gay men reached 1,075, while anti-lesbian incidents numbered 622. Both categories recorded their highest totals in the past five years and increased by more than 10% since 2021. A significant increase of nearly 40% was observed in reported anti-transgender incidents (totaling 338) compared to 2021.

So an increase, but definitely not 4x higher, not even the highest in their own subsection.

Interesting.
Let's look at the UK where the news article was written and was about, and where Kyuntuji lives.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/oct/05/record-rise-hate-crimes-transgender-people-reported-england-and-wales



Trans activist playing 3 card monty with facts and figures online