Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[Snoopy]

They're still crying on about Forspoken.

Forspoken basically got assassinated by the influencer rage machine. Ripped apart for influencer clout, no matter how much of what anyone was saying about it had any shred of truth in it. Some people probably made more money jumping on the manufactured hate bandwagon for the game, than SE actually saw any money in regards to profit from the game's sales (if they actually broke even or made any profit at all after development/marketing costs were factored in). Few with any actual influence would jump to the game's defense because it was a new IP. There was little personal financial incentive to jump into the hornet's nest opposing the rage bait narrative surrounding the game, and everyone knew the fans following the people pushing the narratives surrounding that game were the type that would be fucking insane enough to threaten real life consequences for daring to speak out against what they were doing.

I saw something similar happen in regards to the Dragon's Dogma 2 launch in regards to the MTX, though not nearly as insidious as what happened to Forspoken. An interesting thing to note is that DD2's MTX wasn't any different from what Capcom's other games usually had, but it's likely that the major reasons why that game was the straw that broke the camel's back is because of the performance issues + it was a sequel catching mainstream attention coming out over a decade after the previous entry. Compared to the likes of Street Fighter, MH, and Resident Evil, no major influencer had ever made a name for themselves by promoting DD1, so it was relatively 'safe' for the clout chasing mob to rip on DD2, knowing there was no risk in terms of catching strays from any major influencers higher up in the totem pole or publication while doing so.

It's definitely a reason why major publishers are averse to going all in on new IPs nowadays too. All it takes are a mob of influencers deciding that the game is going to be their punching bag for a week to kill the IP's potential.

I guarantee that if Forspoken actually had the FF branding, there would have been a lot more people going to bat for it, the same way people nowadays push the idea that the way edgier Strangers of Paradise is 'sincere and endearing in how it embraces the edge'.

I guarantee if Forspoken had been good there would have been a lot more people going to bat for it

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

They're still crying on about Forspoken.

Forspoken basically got assassinated by the influencer rage machine. Ripped apart for influencer clout, no matter how much of what anyone was saying about it had any shred of truth in it. Some people probably made more money jumping on the manufactured hate bandwagon for the game, than SE actually saw any money in regards to profit from the game's sales (if they actually broke even or made any profit at all after development/marketing costs were factored in). Few with any actual influence would jump to the game's defense because it was a new IP. There was little personal financial incentive to jump into the hornet's nest opposing the rage bait narrative surrounding the game, and everyone knew the fans following the people pushing the narratives surrounding that game were the type that would be fucking insane enough to threaten real life consequences for daring to speak out against what they were doing.

I saw something similar happen in regards to the Dragon's Dogma 2 launch in regards to the MTX, though not nearly as insidious as what happened to Forspoken. An interesting thing to note is that DD2's MTX wasn't any different from what Capcom's other games usually had, but it's likely that the major reasons why that game was the straw that broke the camel's back is because of the performance issues + it was a sequel catching mainstream attention coming out over a decade after the previous entry. Compared to the likes of Street Fighter, MH, and Resident Evil, no major influencer had ever made a name for themselves by promoting DD1, so it was relatively 'safe' for the clout chasing mob to rip on DD2, knowing there was no risk in terms of catching strays from any major influencers higher up in the totem pole or publication while doing so.

It's definitely a reason why major publishers are averse to going all in on new IPs nowadays too. All it takes are a mob of influencers deciding that the game is going to be their punching bag for a week to kill the IP's potential.

I guarantee that if Forspoken actually had the FF branding, there would have been a lot more people going to bat for it, the same way people nowadays push the idea that the way edgier Strangers of Paradise is 'sincere and endearing in how it embraces the edge'.

I guarantee if Forspoken had been good there would have been a lot more people going to bat for it

I had no problem with the art direction, characters, etc. The writing is just terrible and I couldn't get into it. The MC is cute but the writing room felt like a bunch of old white guys trying to write for a young woman and it felt so forced.

[benji]

They're still crying on about Forspoken.

There was little personal financial incentive to jump into the hornet's nest opposing the rage bait narrative surrounding the game, and everyone knew the fans following the people pushing the narratives surrounding that game were the type that would be fucking insane enough to threaten real life consequences for daring to speak out against what they were doing.

All it takes are a mob of influencers deciding that the game is going to be their punching bag for a week to kill the IP's potential.

[Snoopy]

My immediate reaction on playing the demo was the character deserved a better game and better writers. Even a lazy Tomb Raider rip off would have been better than whatever that crap was.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

A mob of influencers have all the power.

Crying trans folx on Twitter can't even stop Hogwarts legacy.

[HaughtyFrank]

You rarely see anyone talk about what's actually great about forspoken. Like for the most part RE just wants it to succeed because it stars a black female character.

[Uncle]

everyone listen to this song

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

everyone listen to this song

[Uncle]

it's the perfect combination of

• "look at this old granny, I'll unmute OH SHIT"
  
• ultra cringe rewriting of an actually good song
  
• zero talent, preaching to the choir activism
  
• obviously masturbatory hand motion
  
• absolutely horrifying content, 3-year-olds??
  
• that ending text/graphic
  

no notes 

[benji]

I don't think the song's very good.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/tim-hortons-is-now-selling-pizza.845823/?post=121767534#post-121767534

Oh good, the drive-thru lines can take even longer now

Never fails. I just want a coffee, and some hoser ahead of me wants sandwiches and bagels for the whole office.

Drive through should be for coffee only.

[Uncle]

I don't think the song's very good.

isn't it breathtaking

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

I'm honestly kind of at hte point where if a game is being wildly celebrated by men I kind of lose interest. Just lost faith with male gamers not being sexist pieces of shit. It is frustrating that Forspoken didn't do well. I was never going to buy it because the magic effects are overwhelming, but the game didn't deserve this, and it's stupid that the online rage bait industry exists. Kind of feels like the only way more diverse games can get popular is if they get popular organically or off the backs of respected creatures like the Underatle Deltarune situation. Susie by the way is just one of the coolest women in gaming in the past few years. A tough girl who learns the importance of friendship while not losing her toughness or getting overly feminine, and who is best friends with a guy who she has zero romantic chemistry with because she's a lesbian. Toby Fox gets it.

Wouldn't getting it not need the never happening barrier of her being a lesbian? That is some training wheels level platonic friend stuff. Keep in mind it's not a bad thing the character is but that's a fairly standard trope just gender swapped. That said Toby fox is great at making characters people end up loving and that's for good reason.

God Bless Twohearts. 

[Boredfrom]

Kind of feels like the only way more diverse games can get popular is if they get popular organically

Again, the master troll.

[Boredfrom]

Feels like white people are gentrifying black conspiracy theories wrong.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/aaron-rodgers-suggests-that-dr-fauci-created-hiv.845985/post-121774725



Your words, not mine…

[Averon]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-x-nier-automata-yoko-taro-and-hyung-tae-kim-on-how-their-blockbusters-inspire-one-another.845352/page-4?post=121771788#post-121771788

Idk the Harry Potter game was also a rallying cry for chuds and when was the last time you heard people talking about that game? Plus that game will sell conservatively 5 times the amount as Stellar Blade and is completely memory-holed.

Wow...ERA is one hell of an echo chamber

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/would-you-go-to-jurassic-park.845979/?post=121773972#post-121773972

                  Boys club behaviour

[Uncle]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-x-nier-automata-yoko-taro-and-hyung-tae-kim-on-how-their-blockbusters-inspire-one-another.845352/page-4?post=121771788#post-121771788

Idk the Harry Potter game was also a rallying cry for chuds and when was the last time you heard people talking about that game? Plus that game will sell conservatively 5 times the amount as Stellar Blade and is completely memory-holed.

Wow...ERA is one hell of an echo chamber

I know it's still a massive seller and very popular, but I don't disagree with the general sentiment

I think it came and went for the kinds of gamers who are really into the hobby and might discuss other types of games endlessly, just because it's pretty limited in scope, can't exactly go over tactics and builds ad nauseum

but to the wider culture it's minecraft, a self-perpetuating popular franchise, safe media to buy for tweens, actually fun, reviewed well etc.

my friends don't talk about it any more but that has nothing to do with its zeitgeist

[benji]

It's a non-dynamic single-player game that came out over a year ago.

[Polident]

Was reminded of Forspoken trying out that Immortals of Aveeno game. Big budget new franchise, a fantasy shooter, Whedon writing style, minor celebrities face scanned, middling reviews and poor sales. But it didn’t fit the culture war, so nobody cared one way or the other. Sad.

[books]

People will play shitty games. That's why ubi is still in business.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/take-two-interactive-to-lay-off-5-of-staff-and-scrap-several-projects-that-are-in-development-as-part-of-a-cost-reduction-plan.845883/?post=121768644#post-121768644
A mod

What!! oh my God this is so sad. 5% may not sound like a lot, but every single percent is a person. Sorry to hear this is happening to them.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Sucks they lost their jobs. 

The whole thread reads like an atheists version of thoughts and prayers. I guess it's capitalisms fault.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/does-anyone-remember-the-deconstruction-mission-from-grand-theft-auto-san-andreas.845829/

I don't know why the memory of this mission has suddenly been popping into my head. Maybe because of the ongoing GTA6 hype, and a post I saw on social media about the torture mission from GTA5 and the question of how bad will the new protagonists be as people.

I was a kid when I played San Andreas, too young to play it but I played it. And that mission in particular I guess, maybe I knew what I was doing but I just wasn't aware enough to realize how horrifying of an act I was committing. The foreman in the construction crew may have not even been doing anything at all. And yet, he gets inside a portapotty which is first knocked over so probably then gets covered in shit. Then, the portapotty is dumped into a ~6' ditch and the fall may have caused a concussion. And then, he's trapped inside because the portapotty gets buried with cement.

I can't even say this is the worst thing that any GTA protagonist has ever done, because there are so many other horrifying acts that it can be compared to and it all boils down to the fact that they're just a bunch of evil psychopaths that end up becoming some of the most iconic video game characters of all time.

What do you think?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/does-anyone-remember-the-deconstruction-mission-from-grand-theft-auto-san-andreas.845829/?post=121769058#post-121769058

I think this is the ultimate response to your own thread. It's a series about sociopaths, some of whose behavior is even more dissonant and psychotic than the characters they're presented as in cutscenes. I love the games, but as someone who literally is dodging pedestrians because I feel badly when I hit them, I hate a lot of the shit you are narratively required to do in them, and I really hope 6 deals with it in a more complex way.

I feel the same way. maybe I'm just a weird guy like that. I felt bad for having to kill Ivan the not so terrible in GTA 4, not knowing that he may have had a chance to escape. and when crossing bridges, I always slowed down to pay the toll.

iirc, Victor Vance in Liberty City Stories was more of an anti-hero type then a flat out villain. it would be really interesting if Rockstar makes the GTA6 less of degenerates and some some sort of redeemable qualities.

[kaleidoscopium]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/take-two-interactive-to-lay-off-5-of-staff-and-scrap-several-projects-that-are-in-development-as-part-of-a-cost-reduction-plan.845883/?post=121768644#post-121768644
A mod

What!! oh my God this is so sad. 5% may not sound like a lot, but every single percent is a person. Sorry to hear this is happening to them.

This is the retard that didn’t understand how buying a car worked…. After he already bought the car. 
https://www.resetera.com/threads/era-i-need-some-legal-advice-about-a-car-i-shouldnt-have-bought-from-a-dealership-i-shouldnt-have-gone-to.819876/

[AldusMoneyPenny]

Top tier cringe
https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-on-trial-episode-1-ot-the-one-with-the-porn-star.704708/post-121764447

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-x-nier-automata-yoko-taro-and-hyung-tae-kim-on-how-their-blockbusters-inspire-one-another.845352/page-4?post=121771788#post-121771788

Idk the Harry Potter game was also a rallying cry for chuds and when was the last time you heard people talking about that game? Plus that game will sell conservatively 5 times the amount as Stellar Blade and is completely memory-holed.

Wow...ERA is one hell of an echo chamber

I know it's still a massive seller and very popular, but I don't disagree with the general sentiment

I think it came and went for the kinds of gamers who are really into the hobby and might discuss other types of games endlessly, just because it's pretty limited in scope, can't exactly go over tactics and builds ad nauseum

but to the wider culture it's minecraft, a self-perpetuating popular franchise, safe media to buy for tweens, actually fun, reviewed well etc.

my friends don't talk about it any more but that has nothing to do with its zeitgeist

Hogfarts is the Avatar of the video game world. 

Makes lots of money but who actually gives a shit? 

[kaleidoscopium]

Yep, looking at the responses to Suzi's tweets I can already see Stellar Blade discourse is going to be annoying for the next month or so.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-x-nier-automata-yoko-taro-and-hyung-tae-kim-on-how-their-blockbusters-inspire-one-another.845352/page-4?post=121778031#post-121778031

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/does-anyone-remember-the-deconstruction-mission-from-grand-theft-auto-san-andreas.845829/?post=121769058#post-121769058

it would be really interesting if Rockstar makes the GTA6 less of degenerates and some some sort of redeemable qualities.

It's called Grand Theft Auto. It's about doing crime.

Yep, looking at the responses to Suzi's tweets I can already see Stellar Blade discourse is going to be annoying for the next month or so.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-x-nier-automata-yoko-taro-and-hyung-tae-kim-on-how-their-blockbusters-inspire-one-another.845352/page-4?post=121778031#post-121778031

Maybe don't subject yourself to a month of "discourse" about any game?

[Boredfrom]

Yep, looking at the responses to Suzi's tweets I can already see Stellar Blade discourse is going to be annoying for the next month or so.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-x-nier-automata-yoko-taro-and-hyung-tae-kim-on-how-their-blockbusters-inspire-one-another.845352/page-4?post=121778031#post-121778031

Wasnt she considered a CHUD and class traitor?