Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[Kevtones]

A lot of those posts in the ‘having kids or not’ threads over there read like people showing themselves out via natural selection.

There are a lot of fair and rational reasons to not want kids and it’s okay to be selfish (and not want them too). That said:

- the ‘bleak’ future of humanity is not a reason, procreation is the literal reason there is a future. Being part of the give up is a weak cop out for those too chickenshit to confront their character reasons.

- being an aunt or an uncle is 100000% not a replacement for being a parent. It’s like looking at the entirety of someone’s social media and saying ‘I get their life as well as they do. Again, you can be a cool uncle and get a largely responsibility-less version of being a baby sitter, but unless you’re there 7 days a week for 18 years, just stop saying this as a means to show you got to experience parenthood.

And yeah, I’m a Dad of two. It’s hard, challenging but JFC is it rewarding.These little fecal volcanoes are the greatest thing in the world and a constant source of growth, surprise and fulfillment in life in a way that you can’t otherwise know.

[benji]

are bad characters allowed to say bad things or not? catcalls and fat shaming are worse than transphobia?

I don't know if it was here (Kulturkampf?) or just a discussion I came across on Twitter. But it was regarding people lamenting that there's any depiction of certain bad things in fiction. The inciting tweet was someone complaining about rape being in some story. A story in which the rapist character also was a serial killer. That last part didn't seem to be a concern but someone might be triggered by rape!

[Hap Shaughnessy]

A lot of those posts in the ‘having kids or not’ threads over there read like people showing themselves out via natural selection.

There are a lot of fair and rational reasons to not want kids and it’s okay to be selfish (and not want them too). That said:

- the ‘bleak’ future of humanity is not a reason, procreation is the literal reason there is a future. Being part of the give up is a weak cop out for those too chickenshit to confront their character reasons.

- being an aunt or an uncle is 100000% not a replacement for being a parent. It’s like looking at the entirety of someone’s social media and saying ‘I get their life as well as they do. Again, you can be a cool uncle and get a largely responsibility-less version of being a baby sitter, but unless you’re there 7 days a week for 18 years, just stop saying this as a means to show you got to experience parenthood.

And yeah, I’m a Dad of two. It’s hard, challenging but JFC is it rewarding.These little fecal volcanoes are the greatest thing in the world and a constant source of growth, surprise and fulfillment in life in a way that you can’t otherwise know.

Grandkids.

[benji]

- the ‘bleak’ future of humanity is not a reason, procreation is the literal reason there is a future. Being part of the give up is a weak cop out for those too chickenshit to confront their character reasons.

It's also a bit of a non-sequitur. If the future is bleak then why are they still living to experience it? Because they're already here? That's not a reason.

[books]

As a loser, I wouldn't want kids but having a better half would change my mind as child raising would seem less daunting. These folks are the type to flush their baby down the toilet if it prefers an xbox controller if it reaches out wrong.

[benji]

They'd rather have a future where every game is Stellar Blade or Hogfart's than outbreed the chuds.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

sigh why can't the chuds just accept they lost the culture war. 

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Are his parents buying all this shit for him?

Melody can most likely get on foodstamps if they really had no income or go to a food bank. Since they are not I'm guessing it's just a grift. 

If your parents claim you as a dependent it either makes you ineligible for welfare or means you have to put in extra effort to get it which for somebody like Melody Shreds may as well be the first thing.

I thought there was an age limit for that or you have a grown child who is disabled.

But then I consider that Melody is Melody and your extra effort comment seems more reasonable.

[Kevtones]

And yeah, I am super fortunate to have kids. It could also be gone in an instant, but so could my TOTK 82.6% save file but I’m not going to just give up my Korok hunt.

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/unprompted-and-without-any-crisis-at-hand-tell-your-son-husband-father-boyfriend-nephew-that-youre-proud-of-them.855417/



and Era wonders why there is a rise in Andrew Tates. 

Dad called me slur so yea no.

Will save it for my nephew tho.

Were you acting like a slur?   Maybe show a little gratitude and positivity and your father may do the same. Stop continuing the spiral of toxic masculinity.

'slur' = 'son'

For a bunch of people who insist gender doesn't exist, they sure do love to rigidly reinforce traditional gender norms.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-review-thread.852417/page-12?post=122085081#post-122085081

User banned (Permanent): Dismissing concerns of sexism, severe priors

I'm curious on two things because I'm only vaguely paying attention to the discourse on this game:

1 - is there some level of misogyny or sexualization in this game that's more than just characters being unnaturally attractive?

2 - are characters being unnaturally attractive ethically bad somehow?

Personally I'm hypersexual and enjoy seeing sexuality in media/art, but I'm also bisexual and would prefer it not just being cishet male sexuality being catered to. I don't know if there's like inherently a problem with characters being hypersexualized but I'm open to trying to understand how that's ethically bad or harmful as that seems like what most of the discussion is about

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-review-thread.852417/page-12?post=122085243#post-122085243

User banned (2 months): Dismissive commentary around sexualization, relevant prior

If you watch women on YouTube play the demo, all the ones I've seen enjoyed the experience. If they can, you should not feel bad about playing it either.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-review-thread.852417/page-12?post=122085600#post-122085600

User Banned (1 Month): Dismissing concerns over sexism

I think their general point is that the character is only sexualised for the male gaze, but unless the developers have said/implied that (I'm unaware so idk), then I don't think it's a very fair criticism. Criticise people like Kojima for things like the Quiet situation all you want, but boycotting/attacking a game simply because the character has a certain body type is so outdated. They try to use the 'real women' defence, but there are plenty of women that look like that, and they are just as valid as the women that look like Ellie or Aloy.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-review-thread.852417/page-12?post=122085945#post-122085945

User Banned (1 Month) : Dismissing concerns of sexism and misogyny over multiple posts

Are jiggle physics really that egregious? Should they be rock solid? They aren't as ridiculous as like old DOA games for example. That one clip I saw of her hanging on the ladder looked silly but it didn't exactly seem intentional considering they don't move like that in cutscenes.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-review-thread.852417/page-17?post=122117487#post-122117487

User Banned (2 weeks): Dismissing concerns of sexism

That's literally the skin suit though, which is not only optional but more punishing to play with as it has no armor values.
There's a ton of costumes to customise Eve with, and many of them completely cover up the character and are not revealing at all.

So, you can choose exactly the look you want to see on screen while playing.

User Banned (3 days): Inflammatory commentary; Ignoring staff post

Reaction of my Korean fiancée (artist, no gamer except Animal Crossing) to the demo and full game, because people here asked about women reactions: "she's so cute. She has so nice skin!" 🤪
Now I have to wait to play more because she wants to watch me playing. She's proud of a big Korean project getting international recognition.
Only played around one hour and can't wait to get back into it. Much more fun than FF7 Remake, that I finally finished after 2 years yesterday 😇

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-review-thread.852417/page-19?post=122156163#post-122156163

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Dad called me a slur because I wouldn't take out the trash and clean mister kitty's litter box. 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/%E2%80%98where%E2%80%99s-cricket-%E2%80%99-don%E2%80%99t-ask-kristi-noem-defends-killing-her-dog.855450/page-4?post=122211525#post-122211525

User Banned (1 Week): Inflammatory commentary. Recently actioned for inflammatory commentary

When your worse than fucking Hitler, you kill your dog

[Potato]

Dad called him the N word during his transracial phase

N word?

NoGoodGoddamnFreeloadingSonOfABitch?

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

They'd be pogging out as the youth say if she killed her unborn baby instead. 

[benji]

I thought there was an age limit for that or you have a grown child who is disabled.

But then I consider that Melody is Melody and your extra effort comment seems more reasonable.

No, you can claim anyone you actually care for as a dependent. They can't have income though, which is mainly checked by the fact they didn't file a tax return. It's almost always either a NEET child or an elderly parent who can no longer live on their own and has moved in. The latter is often not the case because they will receive Social Security but there is a limit on this, if their SS income is below a certain amount you can claim them as a dependent. The same applies to SSDI, a disabled dependents income is adjusted in some way so you can claim them if it's a certain amount. In both cases they're already explained to the government which assumes the situation is true because Social Security has already checked it. (You put the dependents SSN, so without looking into the actual rules I assume the IRS has means to just plug that in and it comes back saying what the situation is.)

There is a very good chance that Melody Shreds could get foodstamps because the amount would not break the dependent income threshold. (Foodstamps rarely are enough income to file a tax return on, they wouldn't be getting rent assistance, child assistance or anything else that often puts poor people above income thresholds and into those shitty situations.) But I suspect there are numerous reasons they do not beyond just the eligibility issues.

There's actually a number of online trans "influencers" I have come across who are in the exact situation of Melody Shreds, do nothing to acquire welfare and beg online for money to get food. Which brings me to the likely case for Melody Shreds but was not something I could assume inherently but I can by pointing to those other cases. They don't want the food you can get on foodstamps, they want delivered tendies from restaurants. They generally consider microwaving something to be "cooking" and wouldn't know what to do with fresh vegetables and meat. A handful can use the regular oven for things with instructions.

Poor urban people don't have this problem because they understand capitalism. Give the foodstamps to mom for that other stuff and she buys you the tendies with her money.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

I do wonder how they get their HRT then if they are lacking funds for even food. Thanks for the write up, Benji. I've got no clue about this stuff. 

[Potato]

They're also doing that thing where they claim everyone with an experience agrees on all beliefs and subjects. Something we can see is untrue just in the named topic from the ongoing reaction to Brianna Wu holding older generation trans beliefs.

I think we should start emphasizing how they believe this for everyone who is not a white cishet male. Only the latter is allowed independent thinking.

Someone else can probably write a better analysis about this but I really get the impression that this new wave of terminally online lefties has a stronger conviction that they're the ultimate arbiter of truth than other groups.

The fact that they're protesting and supporting literal terrorist organisations that slaughtered 1200+ innocent people and can't work out why everyone over the age of 30 thinks they're retards says you're right.

[Potato]

Anybody that gives a single shit about stellar blade censorship or any censorship like it is a fucking loser. Grow the fuck up.

and it follows that anyone who gives a single shit about sexy ladies in games and demanding that they get covered up is equally a fucking loser who needs to grow the fuck up, right

Yes. Everyone should leave people alone to make and enjoy the kind of shit they like. If you don't like something, just stop paying attention to it. 

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

Except anime. That shit is for paedos and everyone who likes it should be locked up.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-review-thread.852417/page-17?post=122117487#post-122117487

User Banned (2 weeks): Dismissing concerns of sexism

That's literally the skin suit though, which is not only optional but more punishing to play with as it has no armor values.
There's a ton of costumes to customise Eve with, and many of them completely cover up the character and are not revealing at all.

So, you can choose exactly the look you want to see on screen while playing.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/transphobes-are-abusing-and-doxxing-stardew-valley-fans-after-they-asked-the-game-developer-for-pronouns.854484/page-2?post=122191827#post-122191827

I don't get it? It's just an option right? What does it matter? They aren't being forced to play as anything.

[benji]

I do wonder how they get their HRT then if they are lacking funds for even food. Thanks for the write up, Benji. I've got no clue about this stuff. 

Also of note, foodstamps don't come as actual stamps or anything anymore. It's funds on a debit card. You scan everything, run the food stamp card and the amount left will be the stuff it didn't cover.

Since I doubt Melody Shreds shops for themselves, they could just give the card to mom for when she goes to the grocery store for the family.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Guess it's up to Nintex to keep supporting them through Kofi. 

[benji]

To be fair, they're probably very tired from the *waves hands at everything*.

[Boredfrom]

For all the talk about Eve having no personality, I actually feel like she does? They're all little moments, but it adds up.

If that constitutes having depth or personality, then we've still got a long way to go in video games. You're really reaching here.

Is not depth but is something, not the blank state the other asshole claims about. Is just the typical Asian character trait of a quiet but kind woman, just like most females characters you guy fawn about are just “bitchy strong woman”.

[Steven Snell]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-you-wish-nintendo-made-more-dudebro-games.855873/

Wonder how this thread will go

[Nintex]

dudebro



I challenge you create viral meme that lasted longer than the third reich.

[benji]

For all the talk about Eve having no personality, I actually feel like she does? They're all little moments, but it adds up.

If that constitutes having depth or personality, then we've still got a long way to go in video games. You're really reaching here.

Is not depth but is something, not the blank state the other asshole claims about. Is just the typical Asian character trait of a quiet but kind woman, just like most females characters you guy fawn about are just “bitchy strong woman”.

This tracks with their typical belief that having a personality involves obsessively loudly proclaiming irrelevant traits at everyone in sight. She clearly needs to start all her sentences with "as a woman," so her personality is clear to us.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-you-wish-nintendo-made-more-dudebro-games.855873/

Wonder how this thread will go

Maybe they should wish the non Nintendo consoles had more games instead.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-382?post=122239917#post-122239917

Yeah I don't like DSP's content, but he's improving as a person, and I juts wish honestly any of those e-stalking commmunities dedicated to harassing people w ould just implode.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/j-k-rowling-and-her-legacy-of-hate-the-uk-gender-critical-movement.643740/

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-382?post=122239917#post-122239917

Yeah I don't like DSP's content, but he's improving as a person, and I juts wish honestly any of those e-stalking commmunities dedicated to harassing people w ould just implode.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/j-k-rowling-and-her-legacy-of-hate-the-uk-gender-critical-movement.643740/