Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[Besticus Maximus]

Thordinson has a history of history of dismissing concerns

[Boredfrom]

None of those constitute as invasions, which is what my original post said. Is China interested in amassing more land? Of course. Bhutan has its own government? Are they not allowed to make their own decisions? These are deals, China is not stealing the land. And places like Tibet are better off under Chinese rule compared to where it was before.

Not aimed at you directly but this whole site. I forget how libbed up these spaces are and it’s no wonder why Asian ppl don't want to stay here. It's so gross. Please do better and don't just trust western outlets which is a mouthpiece for the US.

Now, this is comedy… 

[benji]

Not aimed at you directly but this whole site. I forget how libbed up these spaces are and it’s no wonder why Asian ppl don't want to stay here. It's so gross. Please do better and don't just trust western outlets which is a mouthpiece for the US.

So Tibetans, Taiwanese, Vietnamese, Filipinos, and Bhutanese aren't Asian now? Only China?

This is that intersectionality difficulty that Nepenthe warned us about.

[benji]

I love how they aren't calling out Thordinson for what he was really doing there. Trying to play both sides so whichever way the thread started to turn he could "lead" the conversation with his expert takes. If the thread had turned pro-CCP he could have rolled into the Tibet and Taiwan need to be liberated discourse.

[ClothedMac]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-new-propaganda-war.866685/page-3?post=123583530#post-123583530

America moves like a white man.

America has no rhythm and can't jump.

The dude is sucking NepNep’s Ass:

You're a fucking champ.

Ima borrow some words from you and say,
You ain't ever lied.

And I feel like it's so hard for POC to talk politics in a place like this that is majority white because of course, we live in two different worlds. Our hero's are the ones assassinated, enslaved, imprisoned, raped and erased by the ones who made their comfort possible. The system they want to keep alive is designed to keep them comfortable and they want to keep it alive with the belief that maybe they can bring us along too. Sad thing is, someone is going to be living their lives under subjugation and abuse under this system. Whether it be here or in the Congo or Sudan. The way we look at things are so different. And white people tend to look down on our points of view a lot of the time.

I’m going to be blunt: is not only white people. 

You guys have bitched about how not every single black person has the AfroAmerican perspective of race relations, even though they agree that racism is still a problem.

Sad thing is, someone is going to be living their lives under subjugation and abuse under this system. Whether it be here or in the Congo or Sudan. The way we look at things are so different.

Whether you are black in in the USA or the Congo, same old thing.  Right my Congolese?

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/new-mexico-man-climbs-ontop-of-bumblebee-statue-yes-there-is-one-in-new-mexico-for-some-reason-and-gets-naked.883446/

As we used to say in every other part of NM, ABQ is Gotham but batman died years ago.

LOL, that needs to be on a T-shirt

[benji]

Sad thing is, someone is going to be living their lives under subjugation and abuse under this system. Whether it be here or in the Congo or Sudan. The way we look at things are so different.

Whether you are black in in the USA, or the Congo, same old thing.  Right my Congolese?

Now that you mention it, Sudan is a fun choice there.

[benji]

"Why we got a South Sudan?"

Same reason as everything else: capitalism, colonialism and white supremacy.

[benji]

Actually, fuck, shit, how did I miss that Congo is also an amazing choice.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pope-allegedly-used-derogatory-term-for-gay-people.882597/page-2?post=123574461#post-123574461

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

the bire is the biggest tankie site there is. even bigger than r/sino.

[Polident]

None of those constitute as invasions, which is what my original post said. Is China interested in amassing more land? Of course. Bhutan has its own government? Are they not allowed to make their own decisions? These are deals, China is not stealing the land. And places like Tibet are better off under Chinese rule compared to where it was before.

Not aimed at you directly but this whole site. I forget how libbed up these spaces are and it’s no wonder why Asian ppl don't want to stay here. It's so gross. Please do better and don't just trust western outlets which is a mouthpiece for the US.

Now, this is comedy… 

Estimated population of China is over 1.4 Billion.

Acting like it’s the scrappy underdog is amazing.

[Uncle]

the bire is the biggest tankie site there is. even bigger than r/sino.

I have no idea why reddit continues to allow r/sino to exist, any pretext of free speech is entirely gone from every other part of the site, not a whiff remains of "well we don't like it but we just gotta tolerate it unfortunately or else we'd have to ban this and this too," the admins gladly do whatever the fuck they want on a whim

so why

[Boredfrom]

The cynical jingoistic rhetoric what kills me. They are aware that they are spouting self serving BS, but whatever.

[benji]

the bire is the biggest tankie site there is. even bigger than r/sino.

There's almost definitely more Marxist(-Leninist) passages and discussion posted in this thread alone as among all the prominent members combined.

[Polident]

the bire is the biggest tankie site there is. even bigger than r/sino.

I have no idea why reddit continues to allow r/sino to exist, any pretext of free speech is entirely gone from every other part of the site, not a whiff remains of "well we don't like it but we just gotta tolerate it unfortunately or else we'd have to ban this and this too," the admins gladly do whatever the fuck they want on a whim

so why

They have no conception of the world outside American school racial dynamics. In their mind, China is full of that one Vietnamese kid who was made fun of for having smelly lunches.

[benji]

Maybe don't "both sides" China's fight against American capitalism, colonialism and white supremacy, this is why all Asians are leaving in droves. Especially for the warm loving embrace of the CCP. Which would never allow disinformation or harassment on any of the social media they own. Or the white male led studios they may be part owner of.

[benji]

Somebody skim this and tell me whether or not I should vote for Xi instead of throwing my vote away: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Israel_relations

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

the true bire communism has never been tried.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Israel–Hamas war

Follow the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel, an Israeli embassy official said Israel expected to see a "stronger condemnation" of Hamas and that it was "not the time to call for a two-state solution" when people were "being murdered, slaughtered in the streets."[90][91] The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs later expressed "deep disappointment" over China not condemning Hamas.[92] China does not label Hamas a terrorist group.[20] Commentary in Chinese state media blamed the U.S. for the conflict and spread antisemitic tropes against Israel.[93][94][95][96] Some netizens equated Israel's actions to Nazism by accusing them of committing genocide on Palestinians, prompting a rebuke from the German embassy in Beijing.[97] Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi stated that in Gaza, "Israel’s actions have gone beyond self-defense."[98] In January 2024, Israel reported that it discovered a "massive" stockpile of Chinese weaponry used by Hamas.[99]

 Re moderation should be bowing to Xi right now.

[benji]

the true bire communism has never been tried.

The damn users won't stop putting staff in danger instead of simply following the productive discussion central plan.

[Eric Cartman]

Thordinson has a history of history of dismissing concerns

easily explained by bad luck or systemic issues

[Eric Cartman]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-new-propaganda-war.866685/page-3?post=123583530#post-123583530

America has no rhythm and can't jump.

The dude is sucking NepNep’s Ass:

You're a fucking champ.

Ima borrow some words from you and say,
You ain't ever lied.

And I feel like it's so hard for POC to talk politics in a place like this that is majority white because of course, we live in two different worlds. Our hero's are the ones assassinated, enslaved, imprisoned, raped and erased by the ones who made their comfort possible. The system they want to keep alive is designed to keep them comfortable and they want to keep it alive with the belief that maybe they can bring us along too. Sad thing is, someone is going to be living their lives under subjugation and abuse under this system. Whether it be here or in the Congo or Sudan. The way we look at things are so different. And white people tend to look down on our points of view a lot of the time.

I’m going to be blunt: is not only white people. 

You guys have bitched about how not every single black person has the AfroAmerican perspective of race relations, even though they agree that racism is still a problem.

Sad thing is, someone is going to be living their lives under subjugation and abuse under this system. Whether it be here or in the Congo or Sudan. The way we look at things are so different.

Whether you are black in in the USA or the Congo, same old thing.  Right my Congolese?

[AnnoyedCanadian]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/china-says-military-drills-encircling-taiwan-designed-to-test-its-ability-to-%E2%80%98seize-power%E2%80%99.881163/page-5?post=123607155#post-123607155

These retards need to stop watching "breadtube" and mouth breathers like Hamasanabi. Just straight up parroting CCP propaganda.

The tankies, Muslims and trans supremacists rule the forum.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-would-be-the-silliest-things-youd-do-if-you-had-casual-access-to-a-time-machine.883338/?post=123602940#post-123602940

Melody's Baldspot

Pay a visit to Sappho of Lesbos just to uh, confirm something...

You really think if you traveled back in time they would think you're a woman? The majority of people don't nowadays. I just want more than 1 brain cell firing off in that head that is covered by a skullet. The whole trans lesbian thing is actually offensive to real lesbians and comes across as incel like and near rapey at times on those forums.

[Snoopy]

Nep's brain worms have been spreading -

The second one had a black lady as the lead and the rest of the main cast was white folks. Kind of similar to the first but it was a very white cast outside of some of the bit parts.

Half of the main cast were PoCs, though. Janelle Monae, Leslie Odom Jr., Dave Bautista, Jessica Henwick. But that's really beside the point.

I honestly didn't even realize Jessica Henwick wasn't a white lady and I forgot Leslie was even in the film. I mostly just looked up the cast and it was a lot of white passing folks so that was my bad.

Not enough poc in this movie.

There are though

They looked white though

 https://www.resetera.com/threads/josh-o%E2%80%99connor-and-cailee-spaeny-join-wake-up-dead-man-a-knives-out-mystery.883059/?post=123585057#post-123585057

[HardcoreRetro]

Why would you want pieces of crap in the movie?

[Besticus Maximus]

I've read Sappho and she wasn't describing auto-waifus, quite explicitly tbf

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

I blame the bire for youtube now recommending me Vtuber videos. 

[Polident]

Nep's brain worms have been spreading -




Not enough poc in this movie.

There are though

They looked white though

 https://www.resetera.com/threads/josh-o%E2%80%99connor-and-cailee-spaeny-join-wake-up-dead-man-a-knives-out-mystery.883059/?post=123585057#post-123585057

Wasn’t there a week there when it was bad for white men to write and direct other races and genders?

Having seen Rian Johnson’s movies, he’s a great example why they shouldn’t.

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/china-says-military-drills-encircling-taiwan-designed-to-test-its-ability-to-%E2%80%98seize-power%E2%80%99.881163/page-5?post=123607155#post-123607155

While this post is great and I'll quote it and his follow ups for posterity:

User Banned (1 Week): Metacommentary; Over a Series of Posts; Account in Junior Phase

Most think that over 400k Tibetans died between the invasion and famines that were caused by China's mismanagement of Tibet, so I find it very hard to believe that they were better off under that than they would have been. I am beyond disappointed that such a comment is acceptable here, frankly.

Curious who you refer by "most"? Most right-wing and anti-communists propagandists and Era neocons? Because no one engaging honestly with the topic just spouts it out without caveating that it's a number provided by Tibet exiles that is highly disputed in academia both because it's completely unsourced but also just concretely unrealistic given demographic trends at the time.

Should I also throw another number out that is debatable and tricky to verify (but with much more buy-in in academia FWIW) and use it to try to generate faux outrage and pile on to try to get another user banned? Like, how 85% of Tibet's population prior to China annexation was under slavery/serfdom, which was abolished?

I'm sure it would be interesting to actually engage in a conversation about the concrete aspects and harm of Chinese imperialism and compare and contrast with Western imperialism, warranting the same amount of nuance for the former that is by default warranted to the latter, but for that to even be possible there needs to be one degree of intelectual curiosity and honesty.

But that's impossible to find here because, as apparently celebrated a few pages back, it looks like they banned all the active socialists some time back? Which seems to have resulted in a reactionary echo chamber with the occasional poster trying (sometimes effectively and reasonably, sometimes not) to push back, being piled on and eventually banned.

Also just a bit more of meta-commentary because why not. It's really interesting to hear from folks earlier in this thread that it's only a minority of US politicians that are hawkish enough on China to be thirsty for war. Because language very frequently used in the weekly "barely news thread about something bad going on in China" in this forum indicates the majority of folks on this side of the forum *want* things to escalate with China instead of things to pacify and normalize.

Did somehow this forum ended up with a more on average hawkish user base than the US government? Because if that's true, either that's quite an accomplishment from moderation, or US empire propaganda machine by design generates a more hawkish population *ahead* of imperialistic aggression, and as a result the average US liberals that frequent Era is susceptible to it.

I think it's the latter since it's something that has been in the US propaganda playbook for 80 years now, but if it's the former that would be really really funny.

What the fuck are you talking about? Since when did socialism have anything to do with invading another country, and then ethnic cleanings their culture and engaging in wholesale population replacement?

And no, there isn't value in comparing invasion, enslavement and ethnic cleansing. It's bad. It's bad when we do it. It's bad when America does it. It's bad when China does it. It's bad when anyone does it. Fuck off out of here with the justifying of these crimes.

It was a good move when all the Russian propoganda posters were banned after ukraine was invaded. It's clear they weren't the only ones happy to deny horrific crimes of invasion, colonialism and ethnic cleansing as long as it's not America doing it.

Re-read the post carefully, nowhere I said Socialism is connected to any of those things, more that socialists would approach these conversations from a different place (you know, due to different ideological formations) which would avoid reactionary echo chambers. You can go come up with imaginary justifications elsewhere.

And I have no interesting in the anti-intellectual thought terminating "everything is bad" angle (even less from people celebrating leftist being banned), specially when it's only ever used to somehow deflect from people criticising the current atrocious status quo.

Can you point to some examples of this language?

Obviously not going to single people out, but nice bait. Go check the first few pages of this thread if you really really want to find then.

"Socialism isn't connected to any of these things, but the people defending Russia's invasion of Ukraine and justifying it were leftists who were unfairly banned".

Sure, Jan.

Tell me what place real left wing thought comes from that justifies imperials conquest, ethnic cleansing and population replacement?

The only echo chamber being demonstrated right now is the utter lunacy that makes people side with *anyone* no matter how awful they are as long as they can crow about how America and the West are worse.

I have no idea why these users were banned as I wasn't here, all I see is a once vibrant SocialismERA thread that doesn't exist anymore and the usual neocons saying it's something to do with Russia or Tara Readae. But given what I've seen in this forum in the I/P thread and elsewhere from moderation, I'm actually going to give the banned socialists the benefit of the doubt here (not that it has any material importance).

And the fact that you equivocate actual argumentation about political and historical events with justification it's on you pal. Each one to their limits I guess.

This is the real shit and what more need to do to the prominent members:

That the KMT were not Native to Taiwan and they killed a lot of Natives.

Taiwanese recently voted for the DPP party candidate as president if that makes you feel better.

The indigenous Taiwanese people are closely related to Polynesians and account for about 3% of the population. The most spoken language among the indigenous Taiwanese people is Mandarin, with a high proportion also speaking their indigenous languages. Most are historically KMT voters as recently as 2016, though I am not sure about today. Their voting pattern is because KMT was behind a lot of government services provided to the indigenous people, while DPP mainly provided lip services to them.

Most of the population of Taiwan are not indigenous people. The majority are descendants of Han settlers who migrated to Taiwan during the Qing Dynasty, after the Qing conquered the island and within the last 500 years. A minority are descendants of mostly Han migrants who moved to Taiwan after KMT's defeat in 1949. This is in contrast to the indigenous people, who were there for tens of thousands of years.