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(09-20-2023, 10:53 PM)Nintex wrote: If I recall correctly he was a Bernie Sanders guy and voted for Hilldawg.
So you acknowledge Bill Burr voted for a literal transphobe, and you're wondering why we're angry?  Rolleyes

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/hillary-clinton-calling-transgender-people-new-difficult-ignores-history
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AliceAmber wrote:This thread will remain locked. If you haven't already, I would recommend researching his transphobic remarks.

We want to thank everyone who helped out by reporting posts from this thread.

omfg

They are most stupid mod team in the world. 

“We have mental breakdowns because you fuckers report everything you dislike, but pls continue doing it”.
DirtyShubb wrote:I assume by the gif that you think resetera is a bastion of left wing ideology. Whilst there are many areas that is true, overall it's actually very liberal and of course there are pockets that are clearly more right wing then that.

If this place was truly left wing it would be pretty different.

Is this a threat? Whoo
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(09-20-2023, 10:42 PM)Hap Shaughnessy wrote: https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-trailer-for-bill-burrs-directorial-debut-is-the-worst-thing-youll-see-all-day.766361/#post-112320731

*snip* Lots and lots of bans *snip*

Always makes me laugh how alleged 'transphobia' always gets the most severe ban lengths. No doubt the moderators and administrators think they are being absolutely fantastic allies and making the world a better place when they do this.

In reality, all that's going to happen is...

The people banned are now definitely going to be watching Bill Burr's movie.

Congratulations demented Era government. You've now indirectly made Bill Burr even richer  lol
(09-20-2023, 07:54 PM)benji wrote: Anybody needing a few bucks feeling suicidal?
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-trailer-for-bill-burrs-directorial-debut-is-the-worst-thing-youll-see-all-day.766361/
Melody Shreds wrote:Reminder that Bill Burr has been a transphobic fuck in the past and if he's ever publicly apologized for that I've never seen it.
Melody Shreds wrote:Nope looked it up and it appears he's still a transphobic piece of shit. How does anyone consider this piece of work to be remotely progressive?
Melody Shreds wrote:I alluded to this pretty blatantly like twice in this thread and no one gave a shit.
Melody Shreds wrote:I think his opinion on "transgenders" probably won't sway many given how many have called him somehow progressive already.
Melody Shreds wrote:Honestly Bill Burr is perfect for Netflix what with their obsession with signing transphobic and terf comedians in the last few years.
Melody Shreds wrote:
Quote:Bill burr is transphobic and misogynistic.
I've posted about this so much in this thread in such a short time that I honestly think the majority of Burr fans just could care less.

Which is frustrating and disappointing.
Melody Shreds wrote:I swear if someone call Burr progressive one more time...
heathen earth wrote:Minority poster: Hey this popular comedian/musician/actor is really problematic and here’s why.

Era: *cricket noises, a tumbleweed rolls by *
Melody Shreds wrote:
Quote:Thank you for at least trying to let people know.

Will just tell myself this is proof people rarely bother to read fucking threads before posting in a futile attempt to restore my faith in humanity but who am I kidding.
That's a very charitable read on this thread...
Melody Shreds wrote:I'm noticing a trend here. The people warning of bill Burrs bigotry in this thread are almost exclusively trans women.

Do Cis people just not listen to what their favorite comedians actually say anymore?
Like you don't even need us to say this shit he's said his horrific opinions on trans people like A LOT.
Melody Shreds wrote:
Quote:Maybe you could fill us in. I'd like to know if someone I'm a fan of is practicing shitty behaviour. I googled it but I'm not having much luck.
Read like any post in this thread by a trans person.
We got ya.
heathen earth wrote:They don’t care. Or, they “care,” just not enough to actually do anything about it. Including not watching or playing something, which is just such a low bar.
Melody Shreds wrote:Apparently we haven't posted enough about this given that people are surprised in page goddamn 3 of this thread but here's your continued reminder that Burr is transphobic as fuck.
Melody Shreds wrote:I will say it as many times as it needs to be said.
This guy sucks not because his comedy is bad, but because he literally calls trans women men.
Melody Shreds wrote:And people wonder why trans people are leaving in droves
arimanius wrote:Feels like the demographics of this site are moving to the right. Especially with progressive members getting banned and people ignoring, making excuses, or peddling right-wing talking points.
Melody Shreds wrote:
Quote:Is there a more progressive alternative forum out there? Guessing it’s all discords at this point, though.
This is about it.

Which is why I'm still here. Despite every good reason not to be.
Melody Shreds wrote:So about Bill Bigot- err I mean Bill Burr
heathen earth wrote:Bill Burr is a hateful bigot. You’re supporting hate by watching.
Melody Shreds wrote:
Quote:Perhaps, full disclosure I tend to stay away from those topics since even with the best intentions I manage to say the wrong thing and get the axe. So now I just shut up. I'll ask you this, do think its a shift to the right or just the mods not being so axe heavy as in the past? Again, most of my time here has become topical so folks rarely get banned in the threads I make or read.
It's the latter which is causing the former imo.
It's been extremely noticable to the trans community lately.
Melody Shreds wrote:Burr is a transphobic assholes yadaya

I'm not just saying this to read my own posts you know.
Melody Shreds wrote:Thanks for being like the fourth person in this thread to acknowledge what we've been saying. Sigh
Melody Shreds wrote:
Quote:The saying "progressive" stuff is by design so he stays palatable to most while still slinging transphobic and misogynistic views. It's intended.
If this thread is any indication not only is it intended but it WORKS.
Melody Shreds wrote:This might be extremely reductive of me but he's just a transphobic assholes.
Melody Shreds wrote:This might be a bit of a "hot take" but one cannot be progressive and transphobic at the same time.

Those two things cancel each other out like matter and anti matter.
Melody Shreds wrote:He has good opinions like I'm just a man in drag and stuff.
Melody Shreds wrote:
Quote:Unfortunately I think even in relatively liberal/left leaning groups, trans people get ignored or worse far too regularly.
That's very true unfortunately.
RedMercury wrote:Not surprising from Netflix, the home of Dave Chapelle and Joe Rogan. They don't give a shit, but worse than that they try to convince people they do by highlighting how important diversity is to them and then they turn around and platform these creeps.
Melody Shreds wrote:What's weird is one of my partners informed me that fucking South Park treated Netflix like the transgender supportive platform when it's anything fucking but.
Melody Shreds wrote:I don't remember the last time he called all trans women men but I don't think it was all that long ago.

He's said it many times though.
Melody Shreds wrote:
L Thammy wrote:Now, I don't watch Bill Burr, but going on his Wikipedia page makes me think that being anti-PC is a significant part of his shtick.
Also being extremely transphobic.
Melody Shreds wrote:
Quote:Restera? Moving to the Right?


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Oh it's been happening for years and it's getting worse and worse.

Though I guess you have to be directly affect by it to notice at this stage.
Melody Shreds wrote:
Quote:Looks cheap but I like Bill Burr so I have to watch this.
Yeah transphobic shitheads are awesome
Kyuuji wrote:The power of Bill compells me.
ElectricBlanketFire wrote:
Melody Shreds wrote:Yeah transphobic shitheads are awesome
I’m sorry that you’re not being listened to.
Melody Shreds wrote:Not gonna stop dunking on transphobic comedians, though I swear if someone else comes in her talking about how awesome this transphobe is I'm going to lose it .
Cenauru wrote:
Quote:Embarrassing trend on this site where trans users will post about transphobic people/works of fiction and then people will just like, continue to have a conversation around those people instead of stopping to acknowledge what they're saying.

Anyone describing Burr as "progressive" needs to have a serious think about what progressiveness actually is.
It's been happening for years and keeps getting worse. Anything about trans people that can't be argued gets very little traction, but threads where people feel like they can plausibly deny transphobia go on for pages and pages. It's just exhausting now and doesn't feel worth the time anymore.

Quote:I wasn't exactly a Bill Burr fan already but this thread taught at least one more person about his transphobic comments because I had no idea, so thanks for that. Regarding this community leaning more to the right - respectfully, if this forum leans too far to the right for you then you live in a bubble, this forum is extremely left-leaning compared to most. The crux of the issue is that left-leaning communities are ALSO bad about understanding trans issues, sure they won't straight up say transphobic stuff like right-leaning communities would, but a lot of times the mark is missed. Especially the type who are just here for video games and not the political stuff.
Anyone who ignores and speaks past trans people aren't progressive and leftist. There is no leftism that doesn't support trans people, it's center left at best. I've been on this site since like the 2nd day it went live, I've been through some of the rockiest of times, it's been a fight and a half to just be acknowledged and for our issues to be seen. And it's just exhausting now, as it feels like the place is backsliding again as time goes on.

Nothing shows leftism like finally getting staff to agree to ban hogwarts legacy on here so we don't have to see people obsessing over queen nazi terf herself, and people STILL made stealth threads and comments about it on purpose to get around the rule. People do not give a fuck. Those of us who are still here are merely tolerating it, cause not tolerating some level of it means we just don't have communities outside of our bubbles anymore.
GuessMyUserName wrote:Hitting my favourite part of a thread ignoring transphobia (often in threads about comedians) where I play my favourite game of searching post histories with the word "trans" and try not to be surprised when antagonistic or dismissive posters come up empty.
arimanius wrote:
Quote:Restera? Moving to the Right?


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Yes? It's been a slow progression moving to the right for awhile now.
Cenauru wrote:We're not choosing to live in bubbles, we're FORCED to. Have you seen the state of the world? Have you seen the transphobia we have to deal with on a constant basis even in "leftist" communities?

The site has been backsliding, and you're just doing the same thing as many others, denying trans people's experiences because you don't like how it sounds.
GuessMyUserName wrote:It's literally not possible for trans people to bubble themselves from transphobia because it's been absolutely fucking everywhere in recent years.

Yes, including "relatively left" spaces.
Captain C wrote:Era is unquestionably moving right, and anyone effected by it can tell you this. Stuff like this doesn't help either:

View: https://giphy.com/gifs/335nb3g713rklduTeL

Being left of Reddit or Facebook doesn't make it "far left" lmao

But steel's heavier than feathers...
(09-20-2023, 11:03 PM)Hap Shaughnessy wrote: https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-trailer-for-bill-burrs-directorial-debut-is-the-worst-thing-youll-see-all-day.766361/page-2#post-112323230
Disco Infernal wrote:Terrible...added to queue
Quote: Cop User Banned(2 months): Dismissive drive-by concerning transphobia, prior serious ban
lol
(09-20-2023, 08:44 PM)Venice wrote:
(09-20-2023, 08:29 PM)Besticus Maximus wrote:
Quote:Melody Shreds wrote:
I'm noticing a trend here. The people warning of bill Burrs bigotry in this thread are almost exclusively trans women.


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Holy shit, Doom soundtrack on vinyl in the background (plus multiple other records). That's where your money went people. Not to food or living expenses or any of that bullshit this guy claimed he desperately needed or he would stab himself in the throat. It went on financing expensive, unnecessary nerd shit.

FUCK THE
I don’t understand what the fuck they were doing there? The majority of the people that think it looks bad, are going to give it a watch to see just how bad it is, were banned.

They have entered parody mode.
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No deadnaming Melody Sparks. Omnislayer was a long time ago before she metamorphisized like an ugly butterfly.
(09-20-2023, 10:42 PM)Hap Shaughnessy wrote: https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-trailer-for-bill-burrs-directorial-debut-is-the-worst-thing-youll-see-all-day.766361/#post-112320731
Quote: Cop User banned (Permanent): Dismissive drive-by concerning transphobia, transphobic prior
Legacy wrote:OP this doesn't look anywhere near as bad as you suggested.

Just Bill Burr playing himself, mr angry shouty guy. I've seen worse today (and yesterday) for sure.

Might even watch for lolz.

Transphobic prior?

Resetera mods: Not cops, not cops, were totally not cops!!

Also Resetera mods
Riot
(09-20-2023, 10:53 PM)Nintex wrote: What exactly is transphobic?
I mean, Bill Burr is usually the one who goes against Rogan and the others on such issues in the kulturkampf. 
If I recall correctly he was a Bernie Sanders guy and voted for Hilldawg.

he was transphobic the very moment he first learned what trans is
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I love it, they've literally made it severely bannable if a single person comes in and starts throwing shit around even for others to ignore it and post on-topic instead. On a forum where the staff, let alone prominent members, don't read OPs and sometimes don't even read the thread titles before posting. Can't wait for Nepenthe to get that rules update in the rules update thread.

Sickos
btw I haven't even checked the era thread but I get the impression I just did a lot more research into burr's transphobia than anyone at era?
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https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-are-your-good-pieces-of-online-advice.766604/
Quote:What are for you, good advice when discussing, searching, watching, playing or just being online? Common tips that can make being on the web more enjoyable or less stress inducing?

Here are a few I thought of:

(Though really much of this is also applicable off the web as well)

1. Their is no point arguing with an obsessive "uber" fan: They will defend their current favourite work (even if they haven't even watched/played it yet) to the death for any perceived slight or whiff of criticism (even if it wasn't) and/or go on to attack and accuse you, whether insulting you, pulling No True Scotsman fallacies, elitism, whip out cookie cutter retorts or just harass you. Their is just no point in engaging in them; it will just waste your time and ruin your day.

2. Their is no point arguing with a snob: Their is no point wasting your time engaging with someone who dismisses entire works, sports, genres or even just entire mediums, not based on their actual quality, merits, what they did etc; but based on them thinking their inherently lesser and beneath them. You have nothing to prove and most of the time online, nothing you say will get through their overblown egos and stubbornness, especially since they likely think your opinion in beneath them as well. Just enjoy what you enjoy.

3. Take breaks: If online communities or social media is making you suffer excessive stress, anxiety, anger, sadness; take a break. This is way easier said than done though because it can be addictive and hard if you have nothing to fill that gap.

4. You're as just a fan as anyone else: Like watching a TV show or movie series or liking playing a certain game, write fanfics or fanart, discuss technical details etc etc; you're a fan, no matter what anyone says. Never let toxic elitists make you feel less or that you have to prove yourself. Only call yourself a "casual fan" if that's what YOU think, not because of some group who has decided who's opinions matter or not. Fuck them.

5. Always read more than just the headline/Title: This feels self explanatory but it's depressingly common. Don't make yourself the fool and don't spread misinformation needlessly. Also always check the sources being used, especially if the claim is vague or seems dubious.

6. Never let bigots make you feel alone: You are not alone.


So what are some of yours?
Surprised 6 isn't number 1.
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Getting banned for saying you didn't think the trailer looks bad. Amazing
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Remember how Black Panther 2 starred a transphobic antivaxxer and Avatar harms all Indigenous people but you couldn't only not shut down those threads by throwing a fit you could continue dismissing the concerns to post about how many times you've seen this stupid garbage? lol
Is Melody Shreds the G.O.A.T.? $800 and a bunch of massive bans in a thread about a trailer for a streaming comedy movie both in a single week? Lawd

edit: I mean, it's hard to top Ketkat murdering all the people in the Mental Health thread but that was more of a slow burn thing.
(09-20-2023, 11:44 PM)Hap Shaughnessy wrote:
(09-20-2023, 11:03 PM)Hap Shaughnessy wrote: https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-trailer-for-bill-burrs-directorial-debut-is-the-worst-thing-youll-see-all-day.766361/page-2#post-112323230
Disco Infernal wrote:Terrible...added to queue
Quote: Cop User Banned(2 months): Dismissive drive-by concerning transphobia, prior serious ban

(09-20-2023, 11:03 PM)Hap Shaughnessy wrote:
game-biz wrote:The film looks okay...I love Bill Burr, but I don't think I can sit through an hour and a half of this kind of content. Not for me.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-trailer-for-bill-burrs-directorial-debut-is-the-worst-thing-youll-see-all-day.766361/page-2#post-112324847
Quote: Cop User banned (1 month): Dismissive drive-by concerning transphobia


(09-20-2023, 10:39 PM)kaleidoscopium wrote: https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-trailer-for-bill-burrs-directorial-debut-is-the-worst-thing-youll-see-all-day.766361/page-6#post-112350686
AliceAmber wrote:This thread will remain locked. If you haven't already, I would recommend researching his transphobic remarks.
We want to thank everyone who helped out by reporting posts from this thread.
You're welcome. lol
https://www.resetera.com/threads/tourists-attempts-to-stop-san-francisco-vehicle-burglary-goes-viral.766595/

Surprised I’m not seeing a lot of the usual pushback against the notion that San Francisco is a shithole.

Less surprising, a lot of idiots saying “welcome to America” as if is the only country with crime infested cities in the world. But that's none of my business...

This is the kind of shit they should ban. It just there to get people riled up.
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From the constructive thread for anyone brave enough to read all this shit

ClickyCal wrote:The power that Bill Burr has on so many on this forum...

Patsy wrote:Just retroactively read the thread as I wondered why the fuck a thread talking about a trailer for some transphobic fuck would not just die after a page or two given how I literally knew of his transphobia through an Era thread we had on him a year or something ago. Imagine my frustration when I saw just how many people kept fully ignoring trans women like Melody Shreds who rightfully didn't stop bringing up his transphobia, because people really couldn't help themselves from talking about how "progressive" he is or how much they like him etc. right in-between posts mentioning his transphobia.

I've gotta agree with some people in that thread who mentioned there's been a noticeable uptick of transphobic (and which I've especially noticed misogynistic) posts over the last, hm, year or so? Especially the last few months, though. It's rarely ever outright transphobia or misogyny in the vein of calling people slurs or otherwise spreading hate speech or harassing trans people or women. And if it happens, it still gets swiftly banned. But there's a lot & I mean a lot dismissing of issues like transphobia, misogyny & sexualization/objectification going on. Often worded in such ways that people not affected don't really notice unless fucking picked apart by the people having heard or read that shit a hundred times.

And when you don't have people dismissing concerns of transphobia or misogyny, you have people doing the "I just started not saying anything/participating in any threads about trans people/women, because I don't wanna eat a ban" which honestly also isn't fucking helpful. And I wish people would at least try to genuinely be supportive before just leaving for example trans people to fend for themselves in sensitive threads, because nobody's getting fucking banned if all you're doing is quoting trans people for visibility & say something kind along the way. If you genuinely have to eat a ban, chances are very high you tried to do the "I support trans people, but *insert something about athletes or people expecting too much of politicians/the general public*" or did something like continuing to use the wrong pronouns for someone or saying shit like "transgenders" unironically & don't change the words you use even after people telling you that's bigoted language.

I quite frankly have no idea how to handle that as I've never been a mod & am far from active enough on Era anyway to see how things are handled beyond threads I either partake in or usually lurk or read after they've already ran their course as there's tons of sensitive threads I miss by not being here all the time. But I do hope/wish the people who notice those things outside of the groups that are affected by them would speak up more, because we fucking need y'all to support the people continuously getting talked down upon. I've seen it a few times in threads concerning misogyny & sexualization where some posters only really start listening & giving a fuck once some men have at length talked about the issues. Women or otherwise people experiencing misogyny? Were either fully ignored or just dismissed again & again. It's no wonder that some people then get a bit more annoyed or frustrated & show that in their posts by not being extremely kind all the time. I've been there myself & I hate it, but sometimes you've just had enough, especially when you've already been dealing with that shit in your daily life.

There's many great current & former mods who very, very clearly care about this forum & the members on it. So I'm not blaming the mods & never would for the uptick in horrible shit as they can't be everywhere at once & with shit like console warring also having gotten much worse, I'm sure they've always got their hands full anyway & aren't letting things play out for a bit too long on purpose. Like, if they're not participating in a thread themselves, they'd surely not have the time to just watch a thread their whole day & banning everything they see, but instead just react to mostly reports. I genuinely think it's just a case of the internet (or rather society tbqh) as a whole having moved more to the right in the last few years, but especially ever since Apartheid Clyde took over Twitter & that 3rd party Reddit stuff. Doesn't help that in so many countries bigotry of all kinds, but especially transphobia is actively being used by conservatives & too often also otherwise left-leaning parties to garner support. A lot of it very, very noticeable to the people who deal with it every single day, but not nearly as for the cis people who've never even seen a trans person off of the internet in their entire lives. Society as a whole has gotten worse for marginalized people in some ways, while sometimes better in others when it comes to rights. Obviously the latter isn't happening everywhere.. or in most places, really. But you get me. This year's pride month honestly felt more like closet month for me, because it was fucking terrifying to see mentions of hate crimes targeted at queer people every fucking day for over a month. To the point where we even had a trans woman in my small ass city being beaten & hospitalized, which was a first.

Lost track of the point I've been meaning to make, fuck, but I'll just say it again. Because without it, the trans community on Era (& others impacted as well depending on the issues) will just be left to fend for itself & steadily grow more & more frustrated. Which nobody actually wants. If you're cis & notice transphobia (yes, including people being dismissive or ignoring trans people's posts & not outright saying anything transphobic), please say something. Please support the trans people in those threads if there's already any & if not, at least try your best to make trans people not feel like they shouldn't even bother to post in a thread when there's nobody pushing back against blatant dismissiveness or worse. The very same goes for men when it comes to other men being little shits about misogyny or sexualization. Or times where women get painted as hysterical or clearly suffering from BPD, when y'all rightfully call others out for armchair diagnosing some horrible people. And every other instance where a group of marginalized people should need your support. We can't all do it on our own, because it's ridiculously taxing. Like, I'm genuinely dreading the next time there's a lesbian character in some media & I see the same less than a dozen people incl. me repeating the same "No, fetishization is not acceptance" shit exhaustingly over & over. And "just ignoring it" is fucking hard when it's shit you already deal with a lot & just wish people would fucking listen & especially understand. Just.. at least try to help make this place less dreadful regarding some topics, please.

kyuuji wrote:Been banging the Burr drum for three. whole. years.
There's zero reason to believe people will stop making threads promoting his bullshit.

Bigoted comedians have always been a blind spot for users here.

Quote:Feels like things have gotten worse ever since that POS posted the 💯back in 2020. I'm just tired, can people just listen to trans people and not ignore them? The attitude from some in that Bill Burr thread is just disgusting.

Quote:The bill burr thread was definitely a fucking reminder of how many era members don’t care about trans issues :/

It also made me want to make a suggestion that in general we should encourage people to read a thread (or the threadmarks in bigger threads) before they post so they can hopefully realize when their comments may not be helpful… sure the bad faith actors/trolls/bigots will still post, but at the very least it can save trans people from having to see users completely ignoring what they are saying just because they couldn’t be bothered to see if there were any important threadmarks or posts made.

Quote:"I'm a trans ally!"
"Great! Hey don't support angry yelling man, he is harmful to trans folks."
"...I'm not an ally!"

Like. Lets say that to me, a cis person, I didn't think his jokes were that big of a deal.* If someone tells me that his jokes hurt and make them feel bad, and then I watch and enjoy or even LOUDLY PROCLAIM I CAN'T WAIT FOR IT then you are an asshole at best and a transphobe at worst.

It doesn't matter how I feel about the jokes, they aren't aimed at me! How does it make OTHERS feel? Thats the real point.

*this a hypothetical. for the record bill burr sucks and is a transphobe.

Quote:100% agree. It’s just common courtesy to respect someone for having a genuine reason to not like someone or something.

Android Sophia wrote:It is definitely a curious and eyebrow raising sight when someone points out how problematic someone or something is, and then another poster proceeds to post as if they never even saw the previous posts discussing this. It's like they're completely disconnected from the thread itself and are responding only in a vacuum. It happened multiple times in that Bill Burr thread, and I've seen it happen elsewhere before.

ClickyCal wrote:Occurrences of this honestly bother me more than straight up transphobic or blatant dogwhistle posts....well they essentially are dogwhistles. Or at the most generous, can say is pure ignorance. There were still people on that last page just posting how they were hype to watch it.

Quote:I'm not a Bill Burr fan (edgy comedy got dull when I was no longer in high school) and didn't really know about his transphobia. Unfortunately I'm not that surprised by it and I'm also not surprised to see a bunch of (likely cis) folks ignore it. Being on ResetEra doesn't make you immune to being ignorant to hate.

Quote:What is most exhausting for me is when people say "Hey, that person has changed!" when one of the examples of their hurtful conduct that's posted in that very thread is barely a year old.

People need to realize that if someone uses their platform for hate or misinformation or whatever else, even if they've "changed", they:
A) Are not entitled to a second (or sometimes third, fourth, fifth, etc) chance.
B) They need to actually show signs of doing the work.
C) Being changed does not entitle them to their old platform.

Even if you are someone who believes people should get second chances, the person in question has to do the work and stick with it and only then is it up to every member of the affected community to forgive if they want to (and they don't have to).

Also, some people just remain blind to their biases and it's okay to acknowledge their flaws and ask them to do better. This came up multiple times in the Purging YouTube Creators With Problematic Views thread - especially when discussing "Leftist YouTubers" like Hasan - You can still be a leftist and completely fail on leftist issues such as trans rights and supporting trans people, which he has in the past.

At some point, it became clear in the Bill Burr thread that not only were people ignoring those that were trying to point out his problematic behavior, but also were coming into the thread with comments of "Can't wait to watch!". Thankfully they were banned but that shit hurts the most, because its someone actively reading the thread, deciding they don't give a shit, and trying to drive a nail into you about how little the issue you brought up matters.
No one in the Bill thread was ignoring Melody.  They were being attention whores like their threads.
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(09-21-2023, 12:50 AM)HaughtyFrank wrote: From the constructive thread for anyone brave enough to read all this shit
Patsy wrote:But there's a lot & I mean a lot dismissing of issues like transphobia, misogyny & sexualization/objectification going on. Often worded in such ways that people not affected don't really notice unless fucking picked apart by the people having heard or read that shit a hundred times.

And when you don't have people dismissing concerns of transphobia or misogyny, you have people doing the "I just started not saying anything/participating in any threads about trans people/women, because I don't wanna eat a ban" which honestly also isn't fucking helpful. And I wish people would at least try to genuinely be supportive before just leaving for example trans people to fend for themselves in sensitive threads, because nobody's getting fucking banned if all you're doing is quoting trans people for visibility & say something kind along the way. If you genuinely have to eat a ban, chances are very high you tried to do the "I support trans people, but *insert something about athletes or people expecting too much of politicians/the general public*" or did something like continuing to use the wrong pronouns for someone or saying shit like "transgenders" unironically & don't change the words you use even after people telling you that's bigoted language.

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I genuinely think it's just a case of the internet (or rather society tbqh) as a whole having moved more to the right in the last few years, but especially ever since Apartheid Clyde took over Twitter & that 3rd party Reddit stuff. Doesn't help that in so many countries bigotry of all kinds, but especially transphobia is actively being used by conservatives & too often also otherwise left-leaning parties to garner support. A lot of it very, very noticeable to the people who deal with it every single day, but not nearly as for the cis people who've never even seen a trans person off of the internet in their entire lives. Society as a whole has gotten worse for marginalized people in some ways, while sometimes better in others when it comes to rights. Obviously the latter isn't happening everywhere.. or in most places, really. But you get me. This year's pride month honestly felt more like closet month for me, because it was fucking terrifying to see mentions of hate crimes targeted at queer people every fucking day for over a month. To the point where we even had a trans woman in my small ass city being beaten & hospitalized, which was a first.

Lost track of the point I've been meaning to make, fuck, but I'll just say it again. Because without it, the trans community on Era (& others impacted as well depending on the issues) will just be left to fend for itself & steadily grow more & more frustrated. Which nobody actually wants. If you're cis & notice transphobia (yes, including people being dismissive or ignoring trans people's posts & not outright saying anything transphobic), please say something. Please support the trans people in those threads if there's already any & if not, at least try your best to make trans people not feel like they shouldn't even bother to post in a thread when there's nobody pushing back against blatant dismissiveness or worse.
Quote:Feels like things have gotten worse ever since that POS posted the 💯back in 2020. I'm just tired, can people just listen to trans people and not ignore them? The attitude from some in that Bill Burr thread is just disgusting.
Android Sophia wrote:It is definitely a curious and eyebrow raising sight when someone points out how problematic someone or something is, and then another poster proceeds to post as if they never even saw the previous posts discussing this. It's like they're completely disconnected from the thread itself and are responding only in a vacuum. It happened multiple times in that Bill Burr thread, and I've seen it happen elsewhere before.
ClickyCal wrote:Occurrences of this honestly bother me more than straight up transphobic or blatant dogwhistle posts....well they essentially are dogwhistles. Or at the most generous, can say is pure ignorance. There were still people on that last page just posting how they were hype to watch it.
Quote:At some point, it became clear in the Bill Burr thread that not only were people ignoring those that were trying to point out his problematic behavior, but also were coming into the thread with comments of "Can't wait to watch!". Thankfully they were banned but that shit hurts the most, because its someone actively reading the thread, deciding they don't give a shit, and trying to drive a nail into you about how little the issue you brought up matters.
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Resetera has already been turned into a trans "boys club."

The fuck they even talking about?

Edit- anyone smart would have had them on ignore so they probably don't see the screeching from the lovers.

"If you genuinely have to eat a ban, chances are very high you tried to do the "I support trans people, but *insert something about athletes or people expecting too much of politicians/the general public*" or did something like continuing to use the wrong pronouns for someone or saying shit like "transgenders" unironically & don't change the words you use even after people telling you that's bigoted language."

Be an ally and eat a perm, you cis fuck.
Notice how there's like 10 trans people on the mod team and not a single Indian guy who could have shined a light on the india situation
(09-21-2023, 01:22 AM)HaughtyFrank wrote: Notice how there's like 10 trans people on the mod team and not a single Indian guy who could have shined a light on the india situation

There's only billions of them - we can't expect the mod team to cover all races and ethnicities, unlike Smash Brothers or every film and television show and game and every other piece of media
Meanwhile, in PlanetSmasher land:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/spider-man-2-and-super-mario-wonder-are-exactly-a-month-away-now-which-will-you-prioritize-playing-on-october-20th.766433/#post-112329950

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Why... not... get... a... fucking job??

"When I have time" my ass. You have time to sink 100's of hours into every triple AAA game released this year and complain about them afterwards. Final Fantasy VII, Octopath Traveler II, Armored Core VI, Baldur's Gate... and that's on top of spending all day, every day posting on Era.

You're unemployed. You always have time!
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-times-sunday-times-channel-4-dispatches-russell-brand-accused-of-rape-sexual-assaults-and-abuse-cw-sexual-assault-abuse.765350/page-4#post-112355363
Banana Nicole wrote:It wouldn’t surprise me if the allegations were true. However, I do think this is a pretty clear-cut case of what happens when you “poke the bear” too much.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-times-sunday-times-channel-4-dispatches-russell-brand-accused-of-rape-sexual-assaults-and-abuse-cw-sexual-assault-abuse.765350/page-4#post-112356434
Banana Nicole wrote:
GuessMyUserName wrote:This falls apart by asking the simple question of what bear are you talking about?
THE bear!

Pfizer etc Lockheed Martin etc and their constituents.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-times-sunday-times-channel-4-dispatches-russell-brand-accused-of-rape-sexual-assaults-and-abuse-cw-sexual-assault-abuse.765350/page-4#post-112357742
Banana Nicole wrote:
Jam wrote:This is absolutely absurd. You’re drinking the cool aid.

He’s been outed as a sex offender because, well, he’s a sex offender. Not because he’s “speaking truth to power” or is “an enemy of the main stream media”.

Stay off the internet for a while.
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