Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[simiansmarts]

folx, do not buy this bundle: https://www.digiphile.co/collections/return-of-the-immersive-sim
It contains this game:


Which is made by a genocidal transphobe fascist egg:

 
Getting called a transphobe because you ridiculed "uwu wholesome wlw" posting by gooners. A tale as old as time.  

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/my-company-decided-to-add-tracking-software-to-everyones-laptops.1350820/

I am working for the same company for over 10 years as a software engineer, the job was great, amazing freedom, constantly evolving platform, so you do innovative stuff, during covid and after covid work from home for like 3 years, I even have stock options, the pay is over standard for my job by like 1k euro a month

And well, after covid the company got into a deep trouble in 4 years the company changed 4 CEOs, 3 of them made millions in debt by super stupid decisions, so the creator of the company returned to save it

Shit is going down fast, no pay raise this year for everybody (somehow they are still hiring expensive managers???), intensive AI tool usage everywhere, 1 day to work from home and you have to report to 3 people that you are going to do it, no vacations during specific periods at all, insane amount of work, morale is super low, nobody is recommending the company at all, they did a survey and it is basically at the bottom

And finally they decided to add super intrusive tracking software, full on screenshots without any blur, every website tracking, every open app tracking and more, keyboard stroke tracking, mouse click tracking, one of the reasons was, because some employees overwork and this will help to track them, when in reality they are trying to lower employee count as that will save some money

I don't think I will be able to work there anymore, the tracking software is like the biggest red flag to me

You should quit, AI bad 

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/should-germany-send-back-nefertiti%E2%80%99s-bust.1351678/

 

[D3RANG3D]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-no-1-country-song-in-america-is-ai-generated.1351150/

Isn't it about time for a Terminator emote y'all

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

:terminator

[kaleidoscopium]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/one-piece-season-2-first-look-at-smoker.1351684/

Because of the twitter ban they are now using... brazilian fan pages from Bluesky for news posts... lmao

[Potato]

Blaming the technology lets the people off the hook and excuses their choices. The cops on Era fantasize that if they can just police the technology (or science or "the system" or) they're exempt from being those who only want to police the people. It's a fantasy not because it's not realistic (though it isn't) but because that is policing the people. It's taking away their capabilities for their "own good" because they obviously can't be trusted to make the correct choices unlike those who would police them. PlanetSmasher is outright calling for someone, almost certainly the state aka cops, to control what information is available to and accessible by people. I only read his posts and what he quoted in that thread but I wouldn't expect many of the other posts on those 20+ pages to disagree. Especially not any by the staff or other prominent members. It's always their answer to everything.

It's because these are failure to launch people who still require their parents or some other authority figure to make every decision for them.

[Blueball]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/eurogamer-gives-arc-raiders-2-5-dinged-for-use-of-ai-generated-voices.1349200/page-26#post-147525793

Even if I don't use the internet, Gamergate still would've happened. Even if I became a complete luddite, JK Rowling would still be using her considerable power to weaponize transphobia across international social media. None of that has anything to do with me. But it DOES have to do with the internet perhaps allowing people TOO MUCH connection and allowing misinformation to spread completely unrestrained across the entire planet, because tech companies care more about their fucking balance sheets than about building a safe world.

This got to me look at his posts in that thread, of which there are 42 total (these are not all of them):

Good. Metascores are a cancer on the industry.

Most of the people on this board have very interesting positions on AI.

Specifically in this case, the people they used for training data on the voices got compensated for it, and agreed to it beforehand. None of them seem to be complaining.

This is a whole lot of "hold on friend, you don't need to be offended because I'll do it for you."

The fact a couple scabs were okay with signing AI contracts doesn't mean that all actors are okay with it.

The funniest thing is that I bet if I went "I hope all coders lose their jobs because really we don't need them if AI is good enough", I bet a lot of the same people acting like actors and artists don't matter would try to rip my head off.

It does.

Treating this review like it's some bulwark against the advancement of exploitative AI is insane, though. It doesn't do anything but prompt companies to be even less transparent.

Every bit helps. And if we don't ostracize it NOW when it's still nascent it'll be too late to do anything about it.

It's not nascent. The industry is stage 4.

Every single game except for some indies being made right now is using it.

Not for art. We're not at the point where every developer is trying to destroy art with genAI, and that's where we can try to stop things before they get worse.

It's a great buying guide for me, because I will actively root for the failure of any developer that views actors and artists as disposable fodder for AI. I will NEVER buy a game from a studio that pulls this shit. Even if Square Enix announced FF17 tomorrow with a full slate of AI voice actors I'd be on the front lines hoping it fails so hard that the CEO loses his fucking job.

Exactly. It's like people screaming at the internet before it became the go to tech of today.

I've been playing outer worlds 2 and I think AI would have been so useful for the random npcs in the world so they don't just repeat the same thing every time you speak to them.

This is where I think AI would make a huge difference for immersion.

Who gives a shit about random NPCs? Why is it more important for no-name nobody NPCs to have more (literal filler) shit to say than for artists to have the ability to feed their families and pay rent?

I'm just going to be honest, I find it genuinely horrifying that we're supposed to accept the death of acting and art just so some independent modders can shove their fanfiction into games with "real" voices.

So you are saying that the goal vision on a game should be compromised because you don't want them using what are basic development tools available to them to use? Or...take mth and mths longer to make said game? Which would also risk the jobs of everyone involved, not just voice actors...

I just find this whole argument against what is basically technology...weird.

When MS word came out im sure a ton of touch typists lost their job, my mum basically, but you had to learn to use a PC and adapt. Its freaking how the world works.

Everything has a down side, AI slop is trash and rots my brain everytime I see it... but as technology moves on, processing power increases...what do you actually think is going to happen? Tools get more capable, jobs and roles change and adapt around those.

Not every idea is worth pursuing. And not every vision is valuable. Technology is not an inherent good, and it can absolutely be used for ill.

Because artists have nowhere else to go when their jobs get erased by AI. Low-level coders are just low-level coders. They could get better at coding and get a job elsewhere. But once we have completely automated the fundamentals of human expression out of existence, art is dead. There's nothing left for those people, and they starve and die. Also, by obliterating entry-level creative jobs we make it impossible for NEW talent to get the work they need to get a foothold. We have no economic or social protections ANYWHERE to protect artists and their families from starving to death once the job market evaporates for them.

You basically want to make a world where the only people who are allowed to live are rich people and the code jockey idiots who massage the prompts to keep their AI engines running.

Artists can get better. Coders can get better. Anyone can get better. If you don't stand out you're still fucked. If your work doesn't require you to work with your hands, it's hard to break into any creative industry right now.

Yes, but my point is, the end goal of these tech bro idiots is to erase the need for actors and artists completely. You're not looking forward at the future, you're looking at your now because that's what you're dealing with in your job right this second.

But what's happening right now is just the early-days transition. They want the tech to get better so more and more people become "unnecessary" so they can pay less people. That's what this has always been about. And once they get what they want, that's it. The only people who will still get work are the Troy Bakers and Laura Baileys and the occasional celebrity likeness cameo because they're popular big names, and once they retire, NO one will get work. It'll be completely over. There will be no path for anyone else to break in, because the door will have completely been slammed and welded shut by companies obsessively using AI for everything else.

What kind of argument is that, "they could just get better at coding". Everyone can "just get better" at something to make a living out of it - the "just" part may be a bit optimistic though. Not everyone has the mathematical or logical skill to do more intricate programming tasks and much in the same way synchronisation offers entry-level creative jobs, low-level programming can be an entry-level job for people who have the talent to be good coders, but not the (financial) means to study informatics at a university.

Bingo. People keep acting like "oh it's just offloading entry-level work you guys that's not so bad, right?" but entry-level work is how people get established in industries, whether it's young actors fresh out of college or young programmers who haven't had their first job yet.

And AI proponents want to torpedo the ONLY route into industry for young people. Which effectively means the only people who will get work are the people who already have high-level jobs OR nepo babies who can skip the entry level entirely due to connections and not due to skill. In other words: the rich.

The idea of "poor quality" doesn't have the same connotations for art as it does for QA, for instance. Art is expression and its value is in the eye of the beholder.

In some sense I think protecting art is a viable bulwark in taming the ambitions of corporations that will happily optimise people out of the equation. Once we accept 'AI art' it's over - it's writing, performances, drawings, music. It's books, comics, movies, games.

But it is something we have to accept. We make the choice on being compliant with it. Once you accept that premise of a game that is 2% comprised of AI art then it's 5%, then it's 10%. It isn't for the production of 'better art' (it can't be, it isn't fully what art is), it's for 'efficiency' (profit). Arc Raiders decided voice actors aren't really a part of the art, not fully.

So there is no 'upside' to AI art but profit for the few. It isn't 'but we implemented AI and the game has less bugs'. So that is where you mount a defense and seek protections for people. That is where you regulate the use of AI for everyone so we work with it, not against it, and everyone is fairly compensated.

Exactly. You give tech bros and inch and they'll take an entire continent. They don't care about anything other than their own financial return.

Did you have this same energy for factory workers who lost their jobs to automation? Technology is always going to be making monotonous tasks redundant. Those artists will have to adapt like the rest of the world of workers do. No one is more important than anyone else.

Fighting against a useful tool is absolutely a pointless battle. That is what AI is. A tool. And it will be continue to be used.

Fuck that. Art isn't menial labor. It isn't assembly line work. It's art, it's expression, and it's what gives us culture as a species. Without art, we're just pointless meat.

I will continue to hope for the catastrophic failure of any developer that pushes for the replacement of artists in favor of algorithms.

No don't put words in my mouth. I'm referring to the one liners of npcs in rpgs. They repeat themselves constantly and no one wants to write for random npcs so why not have AI do the work?

Why do they need to say lots of shit? What does a game gain from an NPC randomly saying something racist or rattling off a grocery list? I tune those NPCs out immediately because they're not supposed to be important.

A new entry level will form though, unless the whole discipline is made redundant. AI is not the first tool that allows (some level of) automation and in the past, each technological step forward came with new challenges that humans were needed for. Maybe we are reaching an end point, where not (almost) everyone can be put to use economically, but I doubt the current flavour of AI is going to be the tech that leads to that change. I can understand, that individually, AI can be a frightening tech, but for general society, past technological advancements do not give me the impression that it will have a crass effect on employment.

It already does, I'm afraid. We're seeing all kinds of people even in this thread saying they're being FORCED to use AI for their jobs even in ways that don't make their work better or more efficient simply because their bosses want to be seen "using AI". And people who bristle against that are punished and sometimes even fired.

Why do you think that would be the case? AI with given context with game lore and restraints wouldn't be able to go outside of that. You're thinking of general AI in the wild. Not AI that is given source material and lore to work from.

AI isn't that smart. It can't read lore and make useful judgments or creative ideas out of it. It'll just make shit up that sounds "kinda right". Eventually it'll hallucinate and say something completely out of character because it can't not do that. It's not actually saying anything real, it's just doing bad improv.

Cause it would make RPG worlds a lot more immersive than they are currently when npcs just repeat the same line over and over. Do you play RPGs? How can having npcs be more life like a bad thing?

I don't care about NPCs that don't contribute to the story. If they're background noise, let them be background noise. Giving them a bunch of random shit to say is wasting my time. I don't want to converse with some rando about their grocery list.

I dont know why there is so much AI hste here. I do think it is ultimately pointless. AI is coming games whether some group likes it or not. There is just way too much potential there in multiple ways to be ignored. Both in creating the content and being the actual content.

Remember when an AI replication of a real person's voice in an extremely famous video game for children started publicly saying horribly racist things because people figured out how to trick the algorithm 5 seconds after it launched?

Boy AI is so great, huh?

Agree. And I think people are too caught up on how AI is right now instead of how much it will improve in the future. AI will continue to be iterated upon and it will only just get better and better.

And by "better and better" you mean "better and better at stealing".

I get where you're coming from but if you say it's cheating then it would mean the AI is actually good at what it does then? So it's a useful tool?

It's theft. Just because it's EFFECTIVE at stealing doesn't mean it's good.

But notice you're not saying it's a bad tool though? 🙃 I for one believe in tech I mean there were people against smartphones too and you probably have a smartphone in your pocket or hand right now….

Let me give you another example: if there was, let's say, a tool that is extremely good at breaking open bank vaults, thus stealing money from regular people, that doesn't make it a good tool. It makes it an effective tool for theft, but it's not good.

The PURPOSE of a tool is what dictates its ethical value, not its effectiveness.

Come on this is an optics argument here, you're framing AI as something bad. Rather than a tool which can be used in various ways like a Hammer for example. This tool isn't inherently harmful but can be used for harm? Yes but it's not a tool designed specifically for that.

No, it's a tool designed specifically to automate people out of their jobs by stealing existing data and using it to make things up. That's what the people creating it designed it to do. They're MARKETING it to you differently, but the goal of AI is to erase jobs. That's what tech bros want.

I don't agree on this. Since AI like Siri for example has been around many years with no real issues.

But automation took jobs away from factory workers too? Has the world imploded? Are you currently unemployed? Real humans are already going to be needed. Companies need consumers and consumers need money to buy stuff from companies how do companies make money if consumers have no jobs and no money?

One hand has to feed the other that's how any ecosystem works.

There literally aren't even enough jobs to feed everyone RIGHT NOW and you're asking for even more jobs to be eliminated by letting a theft robot do them instead of people. We're facing a total economic collapse right now and AI is not going to reverse that.

Companies will always care about their bottom line. Less consumers less money they make that's the reality for any company.

Can't access that article it's paywalled.

We are literally seeing businesses pivot toward luxury instead of mass-market product. People are being left behind because businesses would rather tailor their product toward people who have money than make something affordable for everyone.

You think grocery stores are going to be pivoting towards only luxury shoppers? I don't think so. It's just not realistic for every store there is. A lot of them profit from the high number of sales.

And that's how we get shrinkflation. People being asked to pay more for less food. Which prices people out of entire product lines.

Well it must have been happening at such a low rate I never noticed it…. Until Covid happened then it hit me like a bus.

And that's how companies get us. It's also what companies plan to do with AI. Slowly accelerate it over a long stretch of time, carving off more and more "understandable" roles until it's so deeply engrained into their corporate culture that they can't operate without it at all.

This is how capitalism functions. It's a frog-boiling-in-pot world.

So like the Internet? Cause we literally cannot live without it now… and we're communicating because of it.

Tech will always be here and there will always be new tech that does something humans or animals used to do. We dont use carrier pigeons anymore to send messages…

I just don't get why AI is really rubbing people up the wrong way when most of your life today is incorporated with tech.

It's like fish complaining about water.

The internet isn't a good thing. It should be obvious based on the hellscape we live in right now that the ever-encroaching onslaught of tech only makes the world worse, not better.

Yet you're able to converse with communities and people around the world a lot easier now. How can this be a bad thing?

I seriously do not agree with you on this one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

I can get more examples.

You don't have to use the internet. You have to participate in society though that's not a choice.

But the internet is a choice… especially a gaming forum. This isn't forced onto you.

Even if I don't use the internet, Gamergate still would've happened. Even if I became a complete luddite, JK Rowling would still be using her considerable power to weaponize transphobia across international social media. None of that has anything to do with me. But it DOES have to do with the internet perhaps allowing people TOO MUCH connection and allowing misinformation to spread completely unrestrained across the entire planet, because tech companies care more about their fucking balance sheets than about building a safe world.

World war 1 & 2 happened without internet. So did slavery so did colonisation… and the holocaust the world has done so many immensely crazy things without the existence of the internet. Which I would argue have been even worse than the internet of people speaking misinformation.

We literally have Nazis again. Because of the internet.

And you think the nazis on the Internet are as comparable to the ones who did the holocaust? You can't be serious.

Have you paid even, like...five minutes of attention to what's going on in the world right now? There are concentration camps in the continental US right now. The US government is planning to bomb its neighbors over a made-up drug threat. People are being dragged screaming out of their homes and disappeared simply for looking "wrong" to racist members of an unchecked, unregulated police force being flagrantly wielded by a racist with the brain of a toddler. And that's just the shit that's happening right here in America!

I'm so tired. The tech industry is going to kill us all because so many people don't seem to care enough to pay attention to the ways that big tech is ENABLING humanity's worst impulses and then spreading them like viruses. These companies don't care about us. They only care about making their executives and investors as much as money as possible, no matter how many people have to suffer or die to accomplish that.

Wait you're blaming AI for what the US government are doing to people? This was a discussion about AI man. I don't know how AI is responsible for any of that.

I'm blaming tech. The tech industry - which AI is a part of, and the next vanguard in tech's onslaught on the world - is the enemy of humanity. AI is part of that. Social media is part of it. They all work in concert to erode human society, human empathy and basic decency while enriching a very small number of rich people.

Almost hard to believe some of what I'm reading in this thread. This is definitely an all timer.

Of all the things to wake up to this morning, I definitely was not expecting to read "big tech isn't bad, technological progress is an inherent good even when it leads to job erasure and worldwide fascist takeovers". What a fucking trip.

I like that "Project 2025", a giant document published every four years since 1980, is apparently an example of the internet making the world worse. Along with Nazis. 

folx, do not buy this bundle: https://www.digiphile.co/collections/return-of-the-immersive-sim
It contains this game:

Which is made by a genocidal transphobe fascist egg:

Things are getting tough:

Holy shit dude, find a healthy hobby before it's too late.

[simiansmarts]

Blueballs is my favorite poster! I love Blueballs, my Bireans, I LOVE BLUEBALLS!!! 
 

[Besticus Maximus]

Here's the rub: All we have to go off of is Embark's own words about the voice actors. The IMDb, last I checked, is barren. No voice actors have said anything about Arc RAIders. It's leading me to believe there never were any to begin with, and if there were, they're contributing to the erasure of voice acting work in the industry by agreeing to these types of contracts. Especially because Embark has also not stated if those voice actors, if they exist, are earning any residuals on the generative AI lines.

[Potato]

can someone please explain the disdain for AI from leftists, i still don't get it? shouldn't they be embracing it as a way of seizing the means of art production away from the bourgeoisie and into the hands of starving transbians who capitalism forbids from going to elitist, zionazi run art schools?

"muh artists/devs/whatever" - who cares, the state should provide you with Basic Human Decency.
"muh stealing" - no such thing as theft if there's no property rights
"muh soul" - why would atheists believe in souls?

Is it literally just the selfish neppy position where they are mad that going through all the hard work to learn how to draw dog dicks or something was a waste of time now that the filthy proles can do it with proper prompting?

A grand all-intelligent AI is actually an essential ingredient in achieving communism (fuck you Benji, real communism has never been tried) because it can be the central body responsible for allocation of resources without the normal human biases.

That's what makes it so funny.

[Taco Bell Tower]

Holy shit dude, find a healthy hobby before it's too late.

You forgot to add   because that's all you do whenever benji posts his tl;dr lol posts.

[Uncle]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/eurogamer-gives-arc-raiders-2-5-dinged-for-use-of-ai-generated-voices.1349200/page-26#post-147525793

This got to me look at his posts in that thread, of which there are 42 total (these are not all of them):

Good. Metascores are a cancer on the industry.
The fact a couple scabs were okay with signing AI contracts doesn't mean that all actors are okay with it.

The funniest thing is that I bet if I went "I hope all coders lose their jobs because really we don't need them if AI is good enough", I bet a lot of the same people acting like actors and artists don't matter would try to rip my head off.

Every bit helps. And if we don't ostracize it NOW when it's still nascent it'll be too late to do anything about it.

Not for art. We're not at the point where every developer is trying to destroy art with genAI, and that's where we can try to stop things before they get worse.

It's a great buying guide for me, because I will actively root for the failure of any developer that views actors and artists as disposable fodder for AI. I will NEVER buy a game from a studio that pulls this shit. Even if Square Enix announced FF17 tomorrow with a full slate of AI voice actors I'd be on the front lines hoping it fails so hard that the CEO loses his fucking job.

Who gives a shit about random NPCs? Why is it more important for no-name nobody NPCs to have more (literal filler) shit to say than for artists to have the ability to feed their families and pay rent?

I'm just going to be honest, I find it genuinely horrifying that we're supposed to accept the death of acting and art just so some independent modders can shove their fanfiction into games with "real" voices.

Not every idea is worth pursuing. And not every vision is valuable. Technology is not an inherent good, and it can absolutely be used for ill.

Because artists have nowhere else to go when their jobs get erased by AI. Low-level coders are just low-level coders. They could get better at coding and get a job elsewhere. But once we have completely automated the fundamentals of human expression out of existence, art is dead. There's nothing left for those people, and they starve and die. Also, by obliterating entry-level creative jobs we make it impossible for NEW talent to get the work they need to get a foothold. We have no economic or social protections ANYWHERE to protect artists and their families from starving to death once the job market evaporates for them.

You basically want to make a world where the only people who are allowed to live are rich people and the code jockey idiots who massage the prompts to keep their AI engines running.

Yes, but my point is, the end goal of these tech bro idiots is to erase the need for actors and artists completely. You're not looking forward at the future, you're looking at your now because that's what you're dealing with in your job right this second.

But what's happening right now is just the early-days transition. They want the tech to get better so more and more people become "unnecessary" so they can pay less people. That's what this has always been about. And once they get what they want, that's it. The only people who will still get work are the Troy Bakers and Laura Baileys and the occasional celebrity likeness cameo because they're popular big names, and once they retire, NO one will get work. It'll be completely over. There will be no path for anyone else to break in, because the door will have completely been slammed and welded shut by companies obsessively using AI for everything else.

Bingo. People keep acting like "oh it's just offloading entry-level work you guys that's not so bad, right?" but entry-level work is how people get established in industries, whether it's young actors fresh out of college or young programmers who haven't had their first job yet.

And AI proponents want to torpedo the ONLY route into industry for young people. Which effectively means the only people who will get work are the people who already have high-level jobs OR nepo babies who can skip the entry level entirely due to connections and not due to skill. In other words: the rich.

Exactly. You give tech bros and inch and they'll take an entire continent. They don't care about anything other than their own financial return.

Fuck that. Art isn't menial labor. It isn't assembly line work. It's art, it's expression, and it's what gives us culture as a species. Without art, we're just pointless meat.

I will continue to hope for the catastrophic failure of any developer that pushes for the replacement of artists in favor of algorithms.

Why do they need to say lots of shit? What does a game gain from an NPC randomly saying something racist or rattling off a grocery list? I tune those NPCs out immediately because they're not supposed to be important.

It already does, I'm afraid. We're seeing all kinds of people even in this thread saying they're being FORCED to use AI for their jobs even in ways that don't make their work better or more efficient simply because their bosses want to be seen "using AI". And people who bristle against that are punished and sometimes even fired.

AI isn't that smart. It can't read lore and make useful judgments or creative ideas out of it. It'll just make shit up that sounds "kinda right". Eventually it'll hallucinate and say something completely out of character because it can't not do that. It's not actually saying anything real, it's just doing bad improv.

I don't care about NPCs that don't contribute to the story. If they're background noise, let them be background noise. Giving them a bunch of random shit to say is wasting my time. I don't want to converse with some rando about their grocery list.

Remember when an AI replication of a real person's voice in an extremely famous video game for children started publicly saying horribly racist things because people figured out how to trick the algorithm 5 seconds after it launched?

Boy AI is so great, huh?

And by "better and better" you mean "better and better at stealing".

It's theft. Just because it's EFFECTIVE at stealing doesn't mean it's good.

Let me give you another example: if there was, let's say, a tool that is extremely good at breaking open bank vaults, thus stealing money from regular people, that doesn't make it a good tool. It makes it an effective tool for theft, but it's not good.

The PURPOSE of a tool is what dictates its ethical value, not its effectiveness.

No, it's a tool designed specifically to automate people out of their jobs by stealing existing data and using it to make things up. That's what the people creating it designed it to do. They're MARKETING it to you differently, but the goal of AI is to erase jobs. That's what tech bros want.

There literally aren't even enough jobs to feed everyone RIGHT NOW and you're asking for even more jobs to be eliminated by letting a theft robot do them instead of people. We're facing a total economic collapse right now and AI is not going to reverse that.

We are literally seeing businesses pivot toward luxury instead of mass-market product. People are being left behind because businesses would rather tailor their product toward people who have money than make something affordable for everyone.

And that's how we get shrinkflation. People being asked to pay more for less food. Which prices people out of entire product lines.

And that's how companies get us. It's also what companies plan to do with AI. Slowly accelerate it over a long stretch of time, carving off more and more "understandable" roles until it's so deeply engrained into their corporate culture that they can't operate without it at all.

This is how capitalism functions. It's a frog-boiling-in-pot world.

The internet isn't a good thing. It should be obvious based on the hellscape we live in right now that the ever-encroaching onslaught of tech only makes the world worse, not better.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

I can get more examples.

Even if I don't use the internet, Gamergate still would've happened. Even if I became a complete luddite, JK Rowling would still be using her considerable power to weaponize transphobia across international social media. None of that has anything to do with me. But it DOES have to do with the internet perhaps allowing people TOO MUCH connection and allowing misinformation to spread completely unrestrained across the entire planet, because tech companies care more about their fucking balance sheets than about building a safe world.

We literally have Nazis again. Because of the internet.

Have you paid even, like...five minutes of attention to what's going on in the world right now? There are concentration camps in the continental US right now. The US government is planning to bomb its neighbors over a made-up drug threat. People are being dragged screaming out of their homes and disappeared simply for looking "wrong" to racist members of an unchecked, unregulated police force being flagrantly wielded by a racist with the brain of a toddler. And that's just the shit that's happening right here in America!

I'm so tired. The tech industry is going to kill us all because so many people don't seem to care enough to pay attention to the ways that big tech is ENABLING humanity's worst impulses and then spreading them like viruses. These companies don't care about us. They only care about making their executives and investors as much as money as possible, no matter how many people have to suffer or die to accomplish that.

I'm blaming tech. The tech industry - which AI is a part of, and the next vanguard in tech's onslaught on the world - is the enemy of humanity. AI is part of that. Social media is part of it. They all work in concert to erode human society, human empathy and basic decency while enriching a very small number of rich people.

Of all the things to wake up to this morning, I definitely was not expecting to read "big tech isn't bad, technological progress is an inherent good even when it leads to job erasure and worldwide fascist takeovers". What a fucking trip.

I like that "Project 2025", a giant document published every four years since 1980, is apparently an example of the internet making the world worse. Along with Nazis. 

folx, do not buy this bundle: https://www.digiphile.co/collections/return-of-the-immersive-sim
It contains this game:

Which is made by a genocidal transphobe fascist egg:

Things are getting tough:

Holy shit dude, find a healthy hobby before it's too late.

what do you recommend, gardening 

[Boredfrom]

No lies detected in those discord posts, will check out this perpeita game now.

Damn, review bombing on steam now too 

Is a shame, is a good game. Immersive Sim as hell. Hope, they get the review bombing reversed.

[Boredfrom]

Apparently the Peri dev is insanely queerphobic, which is kinda funny because if I had to guess randomly I would've told you the game was made by a transgender lesbian based entirely on style and subject matter

“Almost like those themes has nothing to do with transgender people appropriating it in the west.”

[HaughtyFrank]

I was just thinking the same thing and wondering about an Eggers mummy film myself.

Nah, he'd then have to cast a PoC in one of this films.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/robert-eggers%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98werwulf%E2%80%99-starring-lily-rose-depp-aaron-taylor-johnson-and-willem-dafoe-starts-filming-in-uk.1331260/post-147601069

Guys, at this point we have a million of various historical show ands movies that align with modern diversity, just recently they decided to remake Amadeus but this time Mozart is asian. I also just saw this article about how archeologists worked with "game designers" to depict the earliest Scotsman:


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cql9pwvg9kvo

Please leave the one movie director alone who has always been dedicated to depicting an authentic historical setting and never uttered a racist word

[simiansmarts]

The Peripeteia situation is extremely funny because a common sentiment across many posts is that blueskiers thought the game was made by a transbian for vague vibes so the discord messages confuse/shock them even more. I guess it has to do with being a 90s cyberpunk throwback with a pretty anime girl protag?   
 
Ghost in the Shell really did a number on these dudes. They all think they're Major Motoko Kusanagi when they look this 

[Boredfrom]

The Peripeteia situation is extremely funny because a common sentiment across many posts is that blueskiers thought the game was made by a transbian for vague vibes so the discord messages confuse/shock them even more. I guess it has to do with being a 90s cyberpunk throwback with a pretty anime girl protag?   
 
Ghost in the Shell really did a number on these dudes. They all think they're Major Motoko Kusanagi when they look this 

Wasn’t the original manga horny as hell?  

Is like the situation with that Pokemon clone they started to hate because it was made by IRL lesbian TERFs that disliked the Trans stuff at Discord.

[filler]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stormy-daniels-who-trump-absolutely-did-not-pay-money-to-tries-her-hand-as-a-stand-up-comedienne.1351270/
User Banned (1 Week): Body Shaming; Account in Junior Phase

the reee mods are obese and feel attacked when obese people are made fun of 

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-hardest-part-of-all-the-trump-era-is-how-it%E2%80%99s-destroyed-so-many-relationships-we-thought-were-unshakable.1351795/

The other day, on Facebook, I posted "Amazing how our President has time to be in a football booth while the government is shut down and people are starving."

Someone agreed saying "He is disgusting!"

I gave her a thumbs up

Then a family member comes in and goes

"Dems are disgusting. Having shut downs over illegal immigrants. Also real scumbags are those unwilling to work and are entitled."

I didn't know what to say.

Rather than engaging with him, I simply deleted his comments.

But… it hurt to see a family member who has always been good to me that far down that rabbit hole

[Taco Bell Tower]

KernelZee

Oh I have no issue telling blood relatives to fuck right off. I'm a grown adult my friends and family are who I choose now.

Dad with a racist son shinobi602

Pretty much. I think the best part is it has opened up my eyes to how some people, friends or family, truly feel. And now I know who to avoid.

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

Things are getting tough:

First they came for the trans furry rape fantasy creep
And I did not speak out
Because what the actual fuck? What the god damn hell is wrong with you?

Spare me the slippery slope bullshit. 

Actually, I will speak out. Here is my statement on your situation:

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

[Uncle]

> This is a total false positive, it has nothing to do with “familial relations,” it’s an in-universe roleplay between total strangers

> chose to name it a Succubus Mommy Domme

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

Holy shit dude, find a healthy hobby before it's too late.

Bust a nut.

You'll feel better.

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

The Peripeteia situation is extremely funny because a common sentiment across many posts is that blueskiers thought the game was made by a transbian for vague vibes so the discord messages confuse/shock them even more. I guess it has to do with being a 90s cyberpunk throwback with a pretty anime girl protag?   
 
Ghost in the Shell really did a number on these dudes. They all think they're Major Motoko Kusanagi when they look this 

Wasn’t the original manga horny as hell?  

The original and 1.5 weren't too bad in that regard, but 2 was when the artist decided his two favourite things were just technobabble and being a massive pervert.

Is like the situation with that Pokemon clone they started to hate because it was made by IRL lesbian TERFs that disliked the Trans stuff at Discord.

lol. Which one was that? Cassette Beasts?

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

> This is a total false positive, it has nothing to do with “familial relations,” it’s an in-universe roleplay between total strangers

> chose to name it a Succubus Mommy Domme

Why would anyone think that it being roleplay/acting/fantasy/whatever would mean anything goes?

I mean there is a reason it's all stepbrother/sister/mother porn and not full blood relations porn.

[Boredfrom]

The Peripeteia situation is extremely funny because a common sentiment across many posts is that blueskiers thought the game was made by a transbian for vague vibes so the discord messages confuse/shock them even more. I guess it has to do with being a 90s cyberpunk throwback with a pretty anime girl protag?   
 
Ghost in the Shell really did a number on these dudes. They all think they're Major Motoko Kusanagi when they look this 

Wasn’t the original manga horny as hell?  

The original and 1.5 weren't too bad in that regard, but 2 was when the artist decided his two favourite things were just technobabble and being a massive pervert.

Is like the situation with that Pokemon clone they started to hate because it was made by IRL lesbian TERFs that disliked the Trans stuff at Discord.

lol. Which one was that? Cassette Beasts?

Was this one.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/984560/HEARTBEAT/

Pretty sure the same controversy of “they are actually “TERFs” at discord”.

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-hardest-part-of-all-the-trump-era-is-how-it%E2%80%99s-destroyed-so-many-relationships-we-thought-were-unshakable.1351795/

The other day, on Facebook, I posted "Amazing how our President has time to be in a football booth while the government is shut down and people are starving."

Someone agreed saying "He is disgusting!"

I gave her a thumbs up

Then a family member comes in and goes

"Dems are disgusting. Having shut downs over illegal immigrants. Also real scumbags are those unwilling to work and are entitled."

I didn't know what to say.

Rather than engaging with him, I simply deleted his comments.

But… it hurt to see a family member who has always been good to me that far down that rabbit hole

He should have said: “are air traffic controllers entitled? Are coal miners entitled? Are the Epstein’s victims entitled? 

Or better if you don’t care… don’t delete it neither answer it.

Or you fight your family because politics or you don’t. Not middle ground. Just remember is often no worth be resentful about it. Is not worth it.

[filler]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-hardest-part-of-all-the-trump-era-is-how-it%E2%80%99s-destroyed-so-many-relationships-we-thought-were-unshakable.1351795/

The other day, on Facebook, I posted "Amazing how our President has time to be in a football booth while the government is shut down and people are starving."

Someone agreed saying "He is disgusting!"

I gave her a thumbs up

Then a family member comes in and goes

"Dems are disgusting. Having shut downs over illegal immigrants. Also real scumbags are those unwilling to work and are entitled."

I didn't know what to say.

Rather than engaging with him, I simply deleted his comments.

But… it hurt to see a family member who has always been good to me that far down that rabbit hole

  need mangione emote

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/eurogamer-gives-arc-raiders-2-5-dinged-for-use-of-ai-generated-voices.1349200/page-26#post-147525793

This got to me look at his posts in that thread, of which there are 42 total (these are not all of them):

Good. Metascores are a cancer on the industry.
The fact a couple scabs were okay with signing AI contracts doesn't mean that all actors are okay with it.

The funniest thing is that I bet if I went "I hope all coders lose their jobs because really we don't need them if AI is good enough", I bet a lot of the same people acting like actors and artists don't matter would try to rip my head off.

Every bit helps. And if we don't ostracize it NOW when it's still nascent it'll be too late to do anything about it.

Not for art. We're not at the point where every developer is trying to destroy art with genAI, and that's where we can try to stop things before they get worse.

It's a great buying guide for me, because I will actively root for the failure of any developer that views actors and artists as disposable fodder for AI. I will NEVER buy a game from a studio that pulls this shit. Even if Square Enix announced FF17 tomorrow with a full slate of AI voice actors I'd be on the front lines hoping it fails so hard that the CEO loses his fucking job.

Who gives a shit about random NPCs? Why is it more important for no-name nobody NPCs to have more (literal filler) shit to say than for artists to have the ability to feed their families and pay rent?

I'm just going to be honest, I find it genuinely horrifying that we're supposed to accept the death of acting and art just so some independent modders can shove their fanfiction into games with "real" voices.

Not every idea is worth pursuing. And not every vision is valuable. Technology is not an inherent good, and it can absolutely be used for ill.

Because artists have nowhere else to go when their jobs get erased by AI. Low-level coders are just low-level coders. They could get better at coding and get a job elsewhere. But once we have completely automated the fundamentals of human expression out of existence, art is dead. There's nothing left for those people, and they starve and die. Also, by obliterating entry-level creative jobs we make it impossible for NEW talent to get the work they need to get a foothold. We have no economic or social protections ANYWHERE to protect artists and their families from starving to death once the job market evaporates for them.

You basically want to make a world where the only people who are allowed to live are rich people and the code jockey idiots who massage the prompts to keep their AI engines running.

Yes, but my point is, the end goal of these tech bro idiots is to erase the need for actors and artists completely. You're not looking forward at the future, you're looking at your now because that's what you're dealing with in your job right this second.

But what's happening right now is just the early-days transition. They want the tech to get better so more and more people become "unnecessary" so they can pay less people. That's what this has always been about. And once they get what they want, that's it. The only people who will still get work are the Troy Bakers and Laura Baileys and the occasional celebrity likeness cameo because they're popular big names, and once they retire, NO one will get work. It'll be completely over. There will be no path for anyone else to break in, because the door will have completely been slammed and welded shut by companies obsessively using AI for everything else.

Bingo. People keep acting like "oh it's just offloading entry-level work you guys that's not so bad, right?" but entry-level work is how people get established in industries, whether it's young actors fresh out of college or young programmers who haven't had their first job yet.

And AI proponents want to torpedo the ONLY route into industry for young people. Which effectively means the only people who will get work are the people who already have high-level jobs OR nepo babies who can skip the entry level entirely due to connections and not due to skill. In other words: the rich.

Exactly. You give tech bros and inch and they'll take an entire continent. They don't care about anything other than their own financial return.

Fuck that. Art isn't menial labor. It isn't assembly line work. It's art, it's expression, and it's what gives us culture as a species. Without art, we're just pointless meat.

I will continue to hope for the catastrophic failure of any developer that pushes for the replacement of artists in favor of algorithms.

Why do they need to say lots of shit? What does a game gain from an NPC randomly saying something racist or rattling off a grocery list? I tune those NPCs out immediately because they're not supposed to be important.

It already does, I'm afraid. We're seeing all kinds of people even in this thread saying they're being FORCED to use AI for their jobs even in ways that don't make their work better or more efficient simply because their bosses want to be seen "using AI". And people who bristle against that are punished and sometimes even fired.

AI isn't that smart. It can't read lore and make useful judgments or creative ideas out of it. It'll just make shit up that sounds "kinda right". Eventually it'll hallucinate and say something completely out of character because it can't not do that. It's not actually saying anything real, it's just doing bad improv.

I don't care about NPCs that don't contribute to the story. If they're background noise, let them be background noise. Giving them a bunch of random shit to say is wasting my time. I don't want to converse with some rando about their grocery list.

Remember when an AI replication of a real person's voice in an extremely famous video game for children started publicly saying horribly racist things because people figured out how to trick the algorithm 5 seconds after it launched?

Boy AI is so great, huh?

And by "better and better" you mean "better and better at stealing".

It's theft. Just because it's EFFECTIVE at stealing doesn't mean it's good.

Let me give you another example: if there was, let's say, a tool that is extremely good at breaking open bank vaults, thus stealing money from regular people, that doesn't make it a good tool. It makes it an effective tool for theft, but it's not good.

The PURPOSE of a tool is what dictates its ethical value, not its effectiveness.

No, it's a tool designed specifically to automate people out of their jobs by stealing existing data and using it to make things up. That's what the people creating it designed it to do. They're MARKETING it to you differently, but the goal of AI is to erase jobs. That's what tech bros want.

There literally aren't even enough jobs to feed everyone RIGHT NOW and you're asking for even more jobs to be eliminated by letting a theft robot do them instead of people. We're facing a total economic collapse right now and AI is not going to reverse that.

We are literally seeing businesses pivot toward luxury instead of mass-market product. People are being left behind because businesses would rather tailor their product toward people who have money than make something affordable for everyone.

And that's how we get shrinkflation. People being asked to pay more for less food. Which prices people out of entire product lines.

And that's how companies get us. It's also what companies plan to do with AI. Slowly accelerate it over a long stretch of time, carving off more and more "understandable" roles until it's so deeply engrained into their corporate culture that they can't operate without it at all.

This is how capitalism functions. It's a frog-boiling-in-pot world.

The internet isn't a good thing. It should be obvious based on the hellscape we live in right now that the ever-encroaching onslaught of tech only makes the world worse, not better.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

I can get more examples.

Even if I don't use the internet, Gamergate still would've happened. Even if I became a complete luddite, JK Rowling would still be using her considerable power to weaponize transphobia across international social media. None of that has anything to do with me. But it DOES have to do with the internet perhaps allowing people TOO MUCH connection and allowing misinformation to spread completely unrestrained across the entire planet, because tech companies care more about their fucking balance sheets than about building a safe world.

We literally have Nazis again. Because of the internet.

Have you paid even, like...five minutes of attention to what's going on in the world right now? There are concentration camps in the continental US right now. The US government is planning to bomb its neighbors over a made-up drug threat. People are being dragged screaming out of their homes and disappeared simply for looking "wrong" to racist members of an unchecked, unregulated police force being flagrantly wielded by a racist with the brain of a toddler. And that's just the shit that's happening right here in America!

I'm so tired. The tech industry is going to kill us all because so many people don't seem to care enough to pay attention to the ways that big tech is ENABLING humanity's worst impulses and then spreading them like viruses. These companies don't care about us. They only care about making their executives and investors as much as money as possible, no matter how many people have to suffer or die to accomplish that.

I'm blaming tech. The tech industry - which AI is a part of, and the next vanguard in tech's onslaught on the world - is the enemy of humanity. AI is part of that. Social media is part of it. They all work in concert to erode human society, human empathy and basic decency while enriching a very small number of rich people.

Of all the things to wake up to this morning, I definitely was not expecting to read "big tech isn't bad, technological progress is an inherent good even when it leads to job erasure and worldwide fascist takeovers". What a fucking trip.

I like that "Project 2025", a giant document published every four years since 1980, is apparently an example of the internet making the world worse. Along with Nazis. 

folx, do not buy this bundle: https://www.digiphile.co/collections/return-of-the-immersive-sim
It contains this game:

Which is made by a genocidal transphobe fascist egg:

Things are getting tough:

Holy shit dude, find a healthy hobby before it's too late.

Look at this motherfucker participating in the age old bore tradition of quoting long ass Benji posts!!



You'll be having circular arguments with boredfrom in no time.

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

This got to me look at his posts in that thread, of which there are 42 total (these are not all of them):

I like that "Project 2025", a giant document published every four years since 1980, is apparently an example of the internet making the world worse. Along with Nazis. 

folx, do not buy this bundle: https://www.digiphile.co/collections/return-of-the-immersive-sim
It contains this game:

Which is made by a genocidal transphobe fascist egg:

Holy shit dude, find a healthy hobby before it's too late.

Look at this motherfucker participating in the age old bore tradition of quoting long ass Benji posts!!

Cum