Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[Nintex]

Gutting Id Software has got to be one of the dumbest decisions by Xbox which is saying a lot.

[Boredfrom]

Speaking as someone who enjoys Hasan and trusts his input but often disagree with the guy, I remember him labelling that chatter criticizing Hasan for blowing off the multitude of stories and red flags as someone from Destiny's camp and I too bristled at it. It's annoying to hear, especially as someone that has been wishing Hasan was smarter about his coverage of Platner for a long time now. Platner's had an overstuffed skeleton closet from the jump and Hasan was informed enough that he should've avoided this entirely.

BUT I kind of get it too. Separating the man from his ego, he's someone who is on every day and is under intense scrutiny at all times, things which he willingly puts himself in a position for, is well-equipped to handle, and thus I'm not going to give very much weight on its own. But combined with the fact that he HAS been harassed by Destiny and his unhinged fanbase ceaselessly for many years and...I also kind of get why he lashes out that way sometimes. He shouldn't if he doesn't want to alienate his viewers that have cogent critiques, and I hope he eventually handles this sort of thing better. But if I were under that same amount of pressure and was the subject of constant harassment I think that would probably color my own worldview even more than it has him if I'm being completely honest.

No, you don’t. You are justifying someone behavior while never giving signals of improving or taking valid criticism to account.

“Is Destiny fault that most of the Internet thinks I electrocuted my dog.”

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hasan-piker-ot-oh-your-such-a-big-man-hasan.321886/page-77#post-157680031

How they don’t realize they are doing the same thing that people did with Platner?

[clockwork5]

Also, guaranteed that for each person who is sad these people were canned there is someone else who thought they would never see the day those lazy assholes got the axe.

 

Many of those cuts were industry veterans… the kind of people that the industry desperately needs to maintain given the snail pace of game development and dependency of contractors. 

The shrine is stupid, I agree, but I don’t think half of them got fired because “laziness”.

First I didn’t say they were lazy, I said they likely had coworkers who wanted them gone, just like anyone else in any other industry. 

Second, neither you or I know the actual quality of the work these people produced or how much the company paid them or any other relevant data we would need in order to judge the appropriateness of their firing. But I will say “veteran employees of Bethesda” doesn’t mean a lot to me when I see a company that has squandered the past decade.

[benji]

 Separating the man from his ego, he's someone who is on every day and is under intense scrutiny at all times, things which he willingly puts himself in a position for, is well-equipped to handle, and thus I'm not going to give very much weight on its own. But combined with the fact that he HAS been harassed by Destiny and his unhinged fanbase ceaselessly for many years and...I also kind of get why he lashes out that way sometimes. He shouldn't if he doesn't want to alienate his viewers that have cogent critiques, and I hope he eventually handles this sort of thing better. But if I were under that same amount of pressure and was the subject of constant harassment I think that would probably color my own worldview even more than it has him if I'm being completely honest.

How is he harassed? You mean people responding to his public tweets? Or the few dissenting voices among the tens of thousands in his moderated chat while he publicly streams every single day posing as an all knowing commentator?

[Boredfrom]

Also, guaranteed that for each person who is sad these people were canned there is someone else who thought they would never see the day those lazy assholes got the axe.

 

Many of those cuts were industry veterans… the kind of people that the industry desperately needs to maintain given the snail pace of game development and dependency of contractors. 

The shrine is stupid, I agree, but I don’t think half of them got fired because “laziness”.

First I didn’t say they were lazy, I said they likely had coworkers who wanted them gone, just like anyone else in any other industry. 

Second, neither you or I know the actual quality of the work these people produced or how much the company paid them or any other relevant data we would need in order to judge the appropriateness of their firing. But I will say “veteran employees of Bethesda” doesn’t mean a lot to me when I see a company that has squandered the past decade.

I was talking about Id, a studio that was part of Bethesda.  

Maybe they were not in the corny memorial, but the industry is in a desperate need of talent retention and we know that Microsoft punished two Bethesda affiliate studios for not achieving vague ill defined expectations around a key service. So I suspect the what Microsoft considers “redundant” has not a lot to do with perceived quality.

[benji]

Also, from that thread, The Young Turks are right-wing now:

Dogshit. They are pretty much right wing now.

They've basically gone full Nazi at this point, it's insane

They are pure trash. Cenk and Ana are washed up, victim-blaming losers who have also peddled right-wing transphobic talking points over the last few years.

They've basically gone full Nazi at this point, it's insane

100%

The kind of full Nazi content you could never find on ResetERA.com:

[Let's Cyber]

All of this shit is Platnar tripping over his own dick and not opposition research

I can only imagine the shit Republicans had in their back pockets for a guy this messy with his personal life. 

But no, I'm sure the Jews did this, Cenk. 

[Rendle]

 Separating the man from his ego

[benji]

My favorite part is actually the first thing he says, that AIPAC is the largest contributor to members of Congress. Leftists/progressives with zero clue how much money is actually spent on elections and where/how is one of my kinks.

AIPAC donated $3 million during the 2024 election. The actual largest group, the National Association of Realtors, yes, the realtors lobby, contributed $4.2 million and their PAC spent $11 million. Blue Cross/Blue Shield contributed $2.9 million. The Beer Wholesalers contributed $2.8 million. The Sugar Lobby contributed $2.8 million. All the Labor PACs combined to donate $71 million. The Air Traffic Controllers contributed $2.2 million. Auto Dealers contributed $2.5 million. Nancy Pelosi's own PAC (almost every candidate has them) contributed $1.5 million to candidates, with other Democrat leaders like Steny Hoyer ($1.6 million) and Hakeem Jeffries ($1.1 million) combining to outspend AIPAC by 150% just between the three of them. The pro-cypto progressive PAC spent $34.5 million. The League of Conservation Voters spent nearly $50 million. Whatever the Black PAC is spent $27 million to lose 70% of the races it donated to. The Black Progressive Action Coalition spent $1.8 million, half of it on Genocide Kamala. Whatever the fuck this is spent $5 million.

Just Kamala and Trump spent $3.5 billion. All Congressional candidates combined spent $3.6 billion. ActBlue alone coordinated $3.8 billion.

Their conception of politics is just so hilariously naive. That Israel (or any single lobby) can just spit into the ocean and dictate literally everything without any trouble. At the helm of an enterprise, the state, that literally possesses omnipotent powers so any limitation must be because of nefarious forces.

[benji]

I didn't even know this was a thing:

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

nice

[clockwork5]

How does this man keep up with all of this?

I would wager he never spent more than an hour with that cash grab “game” much like the rest of us who were excited at the thought of mobile Mario Kart after MK8 was so damn good. 

Do we really need to preserve all of these dying phone games now? How many new data centers will we need to store all of this micro-transactional “content”? In 20 years are people going to develop archaic iOS emulators to re-experience these DLC storefronts disguised as games?

Some things should just die.

[DavidCroquet]

Game “preservationists” are like when your 1st grader randomly asks you what you did with all the work that came home from kindergarten last year.

[benji]

How does this man keep up with all of this?

I would wager he never spent more than an hour with that cash grab “game” much like the rest of us who were excited at the thought of mobile Mario Kart after MK8 was so damn good.

I wouldn't so quickly rule out that Jeff was paying the $5 a month for the Gold Pass. He pays $8 a month for Twitter and also for an untold number of streaming services he references regularly. (Also the way he refers to them cancelling it on "everyone" in the first tweet.)

[Boredfrom]

How does this man keep up with all of this?

I would wager he never spent more than an hour with that cash grab “game” much like the rest of us who were excited at the thought of mobile Mario Kart after MK8 was so damn good. 

Do we really need to preserve all of these dying phone games now? How many new data centers will we need to store all of this micro-transactional “content”? In 20 years are people going to develop archaic iOS emulators to re-experience these DLC storefronts disguised as games?

Some things should just die.

Yes

[Boredfrom]

Game “preservationists” are like when your 1st grader randomly asks you what you did with all the work that came home from kindergarten last year.

“I put in a box”.  

The Kid: “Ffffffffffffffffffff”

Dad:  

(At least that was for me  ) 

El león cree que todos son de su condición.

[Polident]

How does this man keep up with all of this?

I would wager he never spent more than an hour with that cash grab “game” much like the rest of us who were excited at the thought of mobile Mario Kart after MK8 was so damn good. 

Do we really need to preserve all of these dying phone games now? How many new data centers will we need to store all of this micro-transactional “content”? In 20 years are people going to develop archaic iOS emulators to re-experience these DLC storefronts disguised as games?

Some things should just die.

I can’t judge other people’s nostalgia. I saw people preserving newgrounds games and thought, “future generations can play that one samurai game with FFX music and low resolution naked anime girls.”

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/july-8-2026-wapo-graham-platner-ends-u-s-senate-campaign-in-maine.1572646/#post-157688545

I don't know why people didn't just drop him after all the nazi shit

He's a white guy who said medicare for all.

Gonna be real, I got zero respect for the dudes who worked on that campaign. It's not just the red flags, it's the fact they not only didn't quit en mass when the story came out, but that they tried to stick around and try to put their finger on the scale in terms of finding a replacement. When the shit about Swalwell came out, his staff quit that afternoon. These guys stuck around to try and play politics.

 

Pro-genocide posters from AIPAC celebrating:

Took way too long, sucks it took multiple SA allegations to get him out but at least he's gone.

Fucking go away forever loser and also those that enabled him

Should have been done a long time ago. I hope his campaign managers don't work in politics again but I know we won't be so lucky.

Thank God. Now, hopefully, we can have someone without the Blackwater murdering history, Nazi tattoo, and sexual assault allegations win the nominee and win the seat

Fuck off forever Nazi scum

Hopefully I'll never have to here this guy's name ever again.

Oh, who am I kidding, he'll be joining the right ring opinion circuit in the near future.

Good he should have never been in.

He should have never gotten this far. All of the problems come from that fact.

Platner for Prison

Good. Never liked this guy.

That was one very avoidable trainwreck Maine voters, sheesh...

I sincerely hope the people who found a way to excuse all of the many red flags along the way do some serious soul searching so we don't end up in this situation again.

Everyone with a brain saw this coming 6+ months ago. I still cannot believe he ever got this far.

If only people hadn't ignored a literal mountain of red flags pointing to this dude being a total dumpster fire of a human being.

Seeing his promoters and supporters come out and say "oh how could we have ever known, he deceived us" is infuriating. Everyone who hand waved away the Nazi tattoo should never be involved in leftist politics again.

Yeah, POS shouldn't have ever run in the first place. Should have dropped out the moment the fucking Nazi tattoo was made public.

There's no one to really blame here but Platner and his team. There's so many moments in the last year that should have had people jumping ship in droves and just forcing this all to end, but they stuck by him even past the rape thing!

Platner convinced all these people that he was actually a good dude who had made some mistakes and asked people to put their trust in him. Then he totally betrayed that trust. In the end the whole thing is going to be about trust going forward. Whoever the Dems pick, but especially if they're a Platner ally, is going to have to answer "What did you know and when did you know it?" and if they lie or say they knew longer than the public and stood by him anyway, it's all over.

Seriously, Platner and everyone around him screwed everyone. He should have been forced to drop when the Nazi tattoo hit or when the racist comments hit or when he victim blamed women for being sexually assaulted or when he talked about killing muslims being an adventure or when the emotionally abusive behavior toward his exes came out or I can't even remember the rest of it there's so much shit.

The thing that really gets me is his staff didn't even resign when the rape news hit, they stuck by his ass and they all then tried to put their fingers on the scale.

his campaign should never have got off the ground when they found out he worked for Blackwater. Blackwater hires a certain kind of person, and only a certain kind of person would choose to work for them.

Seriously, a few years ago and that would have killed his campaign all by itself.

This is good news. Hopefully everyone who looked the other way with the nazi tattoo, the blackwater mercenary work, the reddit posts and the previous accusations steps back and does some introspection. We dodged a bullet and have karma to thank for it.

I really really wish the people who adamantly defended him online (and even on this site) will finally self reflect and realize this is precisely the thing we were warning against. At the end of the day he didn't get elected and only did damage to whoever ends up being on the ticket because of this.

Believe assholes like this who tell you through all their red flags who they are. Don't ignore them all just because he said the part of the platform you like.

Any state with a significant population of Black people, this candidate wouldn't have made it off the ground.

We cannot ignore the fact that all of this drama is happening in one of the whitest states in the union.

[Boredfrom]

How does this man keep up with all of this?

I would wager he never spent more than an hour with that cash grab “game” much like the rest of us who were excited at the thought of mobile Mario Kart after MK8 was so damn good. 

Do we really need to preserve all of these dying phone games now? How many new data centers will we need to store all of this micro-transactional “content”? In 20 years are people going to develop archaic iOS emulators to re-experience these DLC storefronts disguised as games?

Some things should just die.

I can’t judge other people’s nostalgia. I saw people preserving newgrounds games and thought, “future generations can play that one samurai game with FFX music and low resolution naked anime girls.”

Based.

[Boredfrom]

He's a white guy who said medicare for all

 

You deserve Nepenthe and Royalan.

[Disco55]

I'm sure there is somewhere out there who will make an offline version of MK Tour anyway.

[Potato]

Given the time and budget, I could create a legendary game too. Doesn't mean it's going to be profitable or my operation sustainable in the long term. 

AAA was always going to kill the industry and it's doing a great job currently. 

AA gaming was always the engine room of the industry and where all the cool innovation and fun happened. Sony and MS fucked the whole industry by pushing this "cinematic" bullshit on us.

 

Dude, real talk, you don’t need to be abrasive 24/7. 

Also, ID doing a cinematic game?

Who is being abrasive? 

Anyone with unlimited time and budget could do it. They key word here is "profitable".

Please don't start yet another fight you don't have the intellectual capability to win. 

How's that for being abrasive?

[Boredfrom]

Given the time and budget, I could create a legendary game too. Doesn't mean it's going to be profitable or my operation sustainable in the long term. 

AAA was always going to kill the industry and it's doing a great job currently. 

AA gaming was always the engine room of the industry and where all the cool innovation and fun happened. Sony and MS fucked the whole industry by pushing this "cinematic" bullshit on us.

 

Dude, real talk, you don’t need to be abrasive 24/7. 

Also, ID doing a cinematic game?

Who is being abrasive? 

Anyone with unlimited time and budget could do it. They key word here is "profitable".

Please don't start yet another fight you don't have the intellectual capability to win. 

How's that for being abrasive?

Thank you Zeo, you can give Potato his account back.

[HaughtyFrank]

He's a white guy who said medicare for all

 

You deserve Nepenthe and Royalan.

I'm not going to argue that he didn't get white guy bonus points but isn't the much more obvious reason that people ignored all his red flags is because he was anti Israel? That's why The young Turks were all over this guy, Mehdi Hasan  loved him too etc. People have become one issue voters and they don't realize it.

[Boredfrom]

I'm sure there is somewhere out there who will make an offline version of MK Tour anyway.

100%

[Potato]

Also, guaranteed that for each person who is sad these people were canned there is someone else who thought they would never see the day those lazy assholes got the axe.

 

Many of those cuts were industry veterans… the kind of people that the industry desperately needs to maintain given the snail pace of game development and dependency of contractors. 

The shrine is stupid, I agree, but I don’t think half of them got fired because “laziness”.

First I didn’t say they were lazy, I said they likely had coworkers who wanted them gone, just like anyone else in any other industry. 

Second, neither you or I know the actual quality of the work these people produced or how much the company paid them or any other relevant data we would need in order to judge the appropriateness of their firing. But I will say “veteran employees of Bethesda” doesn’t mean a lot to me when I see a company that has squandered the past decade.

All these Microsoft acquisitions have proven is that there is very little value in acquiring studios because there's no real value to them outside their IP and maybe the occasional bit of custom engine work.

They are all mostly using commercial third party engines and the key creative people are mobile and not likely to stick around for long after a big corporate takeover. 

The only way to be successful with acquisitions is to industrialise the development process to a point that it doesn't matter who is making the games any more because it's just a production line of slop.

This approach has a limited shelf life because the customer base will only keep consooooooming cookie cutter shit for so long and will gravitate towards something that feels fresh and new...something that's usually produced by independent or semi-independent studios that have the agility to try new things.

Look at CoD for example or the Ubislop releases. 

It's just all diminishing returns because the formula is stale and the customer base smells it.

Acquiring studios is strategically about acquiring expertise and knowledge, but that expertise and knowledge isn't tied down in the long term.

[Potato]

 

Dude, real talk, you don’t need to be abrasive 24/7. 

Also, ID doing a cinematic game?

Who is being abrasive? 

Anyone with unlimited time and budget could do it. They key word here is "profitable".

Please don't start yet another fight you don't have the intellectual capability to win. 

How's that for being abrasive?

Thank you Zeo, you can give Potato his account back.

[Vertigo]

Numerous union employees, who were more than half the studio, were laid off. I don't have an exact number but roughly 70% of those laid off were union employees.

 

Dunno if laugh or cry.

Remember how ERA was so sure that unions will protect them? 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gamesbeat-inside-a-studio-layoff-—-big-questions-for-microsoft’s-intentions-for-id-software-id-toyed-with-new-perfect-dark-mp-doom-and-others.1572520/

The Richardson, Texas-based studio (near Dallas) was not pegged for either closure or sale like five other game studios. But had it known the cuts would be so deep, it probably would have opted to be sold to another party.

How did you not know that was going to be this bad?

I've told some of the clowns over there in the past that these companies don't care if workers unionize they'll just get rid of your entire team. And say they no longer have use for them.

And your fellow workers will not be striking for you so sadly a fat lot of good it all is.

[Boredfrom]

He's a white guy who said medicare for all

 

You deserve Nepenthe and Royalan.

I'm not going to argue that he didn't get white guy bonus points but isn't the much more obvious reason that people ignored all his red flags is because he was anti Israel? That's why The young Turks were all over this guy, Mehdi Hasan  loved him too etc. People have become one issue voters and they don't realize it.

I like to think is less about Israel and more about people just guiding themselves in based of vibes and social pressure. 

I said this many times before, but many leftists just want a lefty Trump and they don’t like introspection because “they are in the right side of history”. ERA tends to use the same arguments as Magatards use to defend Trump and they don’t want to realize it. They pretend that half of them didn’t cheer for Platner while supporting other candidates with questionable past but with the vibes of being progressives. 

People that only want a lefty Trump are going to get, sooner or later, just a Latin American shit talker that is going to do what Trump does but with a leftie spin.

[Boredfrom]

Half of ERA thinks that Israel/Iran started on “October 7” and were tempted to glaze the Ayatollah because “USA bad. Hasan hot.” You have people like BDubs bitching about the political rhetoric while repeating it and enforcing it, just cause his online buddies are on it (and those buddies never learn from their own mistakes).

[benji]

I've told some of the clowns over there in the past that these companies don't care if workers unionize they'll just get rid of your entire team. And say they no longer have use for them.

And your fellow workers will not be striking for you so sadly a fat lot of good it all is.

They have no familiarity with any unionized industry so they think unions get to just run the companies or something and nobody can ever get fired. Like, the state of the American car industry is right there to look at lil bro. Or hell, even the faux-unions of Hollywood that only have the shrinking leverage because of industry-wide strikes where nobody crosses the picket line.