Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[Potato]

Have to say I am not getting any entertainment out of the drama with the moderation because it’s just walls of dumb text which I just don’t care enough to read 🙂‍↔️

We need more „I argued with 8yo about dolphins“ post 😔

I'm mostly like that, but that Ashes of Dreams rant was top class entertainment.

I just looked the post up and literally (yes, not figuratively) fell asleep again. Never trust the taste of a nintendrone!

[Daffy Duck]

I’m quite confused what b dumbs is even talking about with regards to tickets. My most recent account was banned with the only ban reason saying “troll account (permanent)”. I wrote in a ticket asking for clarification on how I was trolling, as I had only been posting fairly earnestly nothing crazy, and I got a one sentence response 

“Nope this ban is staying permanent”. Not even an answer to the question   Is this the amazing ticket system at work?

It’s because they’re  a bunch of power tripping cunts who can’t admit they’re ever wrong, they’re decisions are absolute, they’re the correct response 100% of the time, no errors, no nothing, 100% right.

They’re fucking idiots.

[BIONIC]

good shit [USER=156]Android Sophia[/USER]

as a former mod looking in, this is bonkers

[HaughtyFrank]

I’m quite confused what b dumbs is even talking about with regards to tickets. My most recent account was banned with the only ban reason saying “troll account (permanent)”. I wrote in a ticket asking for clarification on how I was trolling, as I had only been posting fairly earnestly nothing crazy, and I got a one sentence response 

“Nope this ban is staying permanent”. Not even an answer to the question   Is this the amazing ticket system at work?

It's hilarious. He also says "most tickets we get are you doubling down or insults so that's why we aren't more charitable" and then it turns that even when members send a perfectly fine and cordial message they only received a one sentence reply from the mods with zero explanation.

The whole ticket system is a blatant attempt to hide any discontent and prevent people from, dare I say it, organizing 

[NekoFever]

Mods need to take notes from Evilore. This is how you respond to terrorists in your community!!!

Wild how bad era is that you miss the way how gaf was managed 🤪

Ironically Evilore is a million times more honest there. He's a cunt but an honest cunt who doesn't hide behind bullshit faux corpo speak and how he's just a smol bean being tortured by the members

I can’t find the thread now but I remember the time when the wokies were starting the flex their muscles on GAF and trying to get gendered insults banned, and Lore made a thread calling them all cunts and saying it wasn’t happening

[kaleidoscopium]

I’m quite confused what b dumbs is even talking about with regards to tickets. My most recent account was banned with the only ban reason saying “troll account (permanent)”. I wrote in a ticket asking for clarification on how I was trolling, as I had only been posting fairly earnestly nothing crazy, and I got a one sentence response 

“Nope this ban is staying permanent”. Not even an answer to the question   Is this the amazing ticket system at work?

It's hilarious. He also says "most tickets we get are you doubling down or insults so that's why we aren't more charitable" and then it turns that even when members send a perfectly fine and cordial message they only received a one sentence reply from the mods with zero explanation.

The whole ticket system is a blatant attempt to hide any discontent and prevent people from, dare I say it, organizing 

Indeed, it’s the same rationale as why they won’t have a banned list of users, won’t update the rules (if they could) and won’t do a like system. They’re scared of community organizing and transparency. Hell look at how often b dubs brings up discord groups 😂 guys having discord nightmares daily

[kaleidoscopium]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/microsoft-shareholders-demand-report-into-the-companys-human-rights-due-diligence-over-allegations-of-war-crime-complicity-in-gaza.1242444/

Sadly it's probably going nowhere, 80m (160k shares) out of a valuation of 3740000m (7.43B shares) is very very tiny

Funny how this post just gets ignored

[Snoopy]

I’m quite confused what b dumbs is even talking about with regards to tickets. My most recent account was banned with the only ban reason saying “troll account (permanent)”. I wrote in a ticket asking for clarification on how I was trolling, as I had only been posting fairly earnestly nothing crazy, and I got a one sentence response 

“Nope this ban is staying permanent”. Not even an answer to the question   Is this the amazing ticket system at work?

It's hilarious. He also says "most tickets we get are you doubling down or insults so that's why we aren't more charitable" and then it turns that even when members send a perfectly fine and cordial message they only received a one sentence reply from the mods with zero explanation.

The whole ticket system is a blatant attempt to hide any discontent and prevent people from, dare I say it, organizing 

Indeed, it’s the same rationale as why they won’t have a banned list of users, won’t update the rules (if they could) and won’t do a like system. They’re scared of community organizing and transparency. Hell look at how often b dubs brings up discord groups 😂 guys having discord nightmares daily

He only found out about discord because he comes here to see what Nep’s up to.

[jooseloose]

Holy shit

What are the "conspiracy theories" because I haven't seen anything along those lines in this thread in the last few pages?

I think they're referring to people wondering if Andy Robinson's Bluesky post about Era users misunderstanding his article was the impetus for the ban wave. imo, the timing is so coincidental that it makes sense people would wonder, but it seems like any speculation whatsoever is being painted as conspiracy theories.

I absolutely believe that harassment campaigns against Era have been coordinated through Discord previously. Era's a large forum with a big target on its back because of the ostensibly progressive values, and we've seen with things like Gamergate that people aren't afraid to pull some bullshit. And I'm sure there's been some bullshit with the splinter communities, though from what I've seen over the years on the user end of things, that's much less common. It seems like staff—or just B-Dubs, who knows—is beginning to see any form of talking about Era outside of Era as coordinated harassment campaigns. That any Discord that dares mention Era in a way that's less than positive is a breeding ground for coordinated, targeted movements. I don't blame the team being on high alert (like I said, huge target!), but at some point, you (general you) need to remember that that is not the case. Venting frustrations, talking about actions that have caused controversy, discussing bans, or even just talking about the forum at all are not inherently anti-Era. They're not inherently weaving grand conspiracy theories. Frankly, I think it does a major disservice to Era to slide into that. It comes across as paranoid and white-knuckled. With the pressure the team feels, I'm sure that's legitimately part of it, but that doesn't make it actually true of every form of off-site discussion.

Considering the very real issues that people have brought up with the ticketing system, I can't help but feel like actioning the one relevant ticket and championing it here is anything other than punitive. It comes across defensive, very "see?????? we DO do this!" And one of the biggest problems that people have repeatedly discussed is the continued generalizations about these issues. It's "a week of being insulted in this thread" when the majority of the posts are not doing so. It's "we DO admit we're wrong" while explicit examples of times that wasn't true go unaddressed. It's claiming users are continually brigading when there's a difference between a)coordinated harassment campaigns from off-site and b)multiple members of this forum coming to discuss issues at once. It's "this is a place for good faith discussion" when good faith discussion is blatantly ignored, even misrepresented and actioned.

Look, I like knowing things, including what led to issues like this going down. If that brands me a shit-stirrer that just chimes in to dogpile when I'm not actively involved—like with the DK thread, as I didn't post there or get banned—then I guess I'm a shit-stirrer. I don't post in bad faith. I don't understand doing that, quite honestly. But it seems like unless you're involved in something (not even as a witness, just directly involved), it's considered brigading and litigation and and and and.

But since I do like knowing things, I went through the last 20 or so pages of the thread. Starting with where the VGC DK thread debacle happened, as that's been the crux of this conversation. That's 50 posts per page, starting on page 17, through page 37 as I'm typing this. That makes, what, 19 and a half pages? Almost 1,000 posts? #813 to #1,821. That's 1,008 posts.

Let's take out the staff posts, posts about other topics (ignoring mods, multiple-reply-to-post reminders, external Discord dogpiling against random communities instead of mods), and posts made by members of the staff in general. There were 109 of those.

So now we have the number of posts that are about the DK thread, mod transparency, points going unanswered, etc., anything that's about the discussion at hand.

That's 899 posts. Only counting users that specifically contributed to this conversation (and excluding mods), that amount of posts was spread over 189 users. A few of them only contributed to drive by neg, and I do literally mean a few. That still leaves a good 185ish users that actively participated in the discussion as a discussion. That's definitely a lot of people, so I can see how it would be overwhelming for staff!

I know the staff feels like they're being brigaded, like there are tons of direct insults and conspiracy theories. I was reasonably certain that it was a very, very small minority of the posts in this discussion that would fall into that, and I think knowing that might help the mods realize this has been in good faith.

For conspiracy theories, I counted things like:
"Seems like Andy Robinson's call got through."
"That that was posted and then bans started happening was not a coincidence.
"The statement was to appease the author of the poorly written article, who had the audacity to flame members of the community that didn't understand what he wrote."

I did not count initial speculation; mentions of what it feels like; Ashes of Dreams's last post (because Ashes has proven, over literal years, that they're trying to help improve the forum for both the mod team and the users), or speculation about retaliation (because that is not conspiratorial; it refers to the retaliator's action of retaliating, not organizing to secretly enact a specific outcome).

That's 10 conspiracy posts out of 899.

For insults, I counted direct insults like:
"You can't make this level of ineptitude up xD"
[the cops post]
"Can mods even read?"

To be generous, I also included "An absolute fucking joke, as always," though it was an overall reaction and not specifically aimed at anyone.

I did not count users specifically pointing out other users due to commonality unless it specifically included an insult. (There were only one or two of these.) I also did not count reactions like "lmfao" or "lol"; those are part of the discussion, not insults. I did not count moments when users said it feels like the team has disdain for users, as that's people discussing what things currently feel like to them, not active insults.

I found 20 outright insulting posts out of 899.

For calls to resign or rotate out members, I counted things like:
"After multiple mistakes (including serious ones that a regular member would've been banned for), I'd love to know why B-Dubs is still a moderator for Era."
"This place badly needs a moderator purge."
"The only thing that will move a needle anywhere is MOBA firing the regime because of decreasing ad revenue. That's honestly all that matters to the organization paying the server bills and admins' salaries."

I did not count general mentions of rotating the mod team as a whole to give them time off, as they were not calling for any specific peoples' heads and were very clearly in good faith.

Being generous, I counted 9 posts that called for mods to resign. 9 out of 899.

Out of all the insult, call to resign, and conspiracy theorizing posts, only a few users solely contributed that way. Some users did get to that point after having been in the thread a while. I count 15. Give or take one or two on either side, but that means that out of 186 users discussing this, 8% lost their temper. 92% of the users in this conversation have been level-headed, guys.

Over 899 posts, there were 10 conspiracy posts, 20 active insults, and 9 calls for resignation. That makes 1.1% conspiracies, 2% insults, and 1% calls for resignation. Total it up and only 4% of this discussion has been hostile toward the staff, but the staff messages repeatedly conflate hostility with good faith discussion (and that's before we get to the idea that a hostile tone does not mean that something is inherently untrue).

Look, staff, I don't know how else to get through to the team that people here are trying to actually talk to you. Literally 96% of this discussion has been civil. Sometimes a little heated, clearly passionate, but civil. I counted. This has not been a brigade. This has not been shadowy Discord servers coordinating attacks on ResetEra or on ResetEra staff as a whole. This has been ResetEra users themselves. At least four former staff members, at least three verified industry people, several help desk and community moderation workers past and present, and many, many users that actively use ResetEra to the point that I, as a lurker, recognize their usernames and/or avatars.

I know you probably feel like this has been just a few users pointing pitchforks at you, but that's not true. Take it from someone with anxiety, someone who regularly needs to remind himself of objective truths when he starts to spiral: this discussion has not been to harm you. It has been the community coming together to tell you they're seeing concerning patterns in staff behavior, and doing so because they enjoy their time in this community. Chunks of Era have been driven off before. It doesn't have to happen again. Please, take a breath and internalize: the majority of users here are trying to talk to you and find common ground because they care. Only 4% of posts from this Donkey Kong discussion were hostile. We are not out to get you.

[DavidCroquet]

Standing wild-eyed in front of the Pepe Silvia board: "We are not out to get you!"  

[Besticus Maximus]

Tbf to dubs there actually is a loony trans discord conspiracy to get him sacked and replaced with one of their own

[Snoopy]

Adderall is a hell of a drug

[Alpacx]

Indeed, it’s the same rationale as why they won’t have a banned list of users, won’t update the rules (if they could) and won’t do a like system. They’re scared of community organizing and transparency. Hell look at how often b dubs brings up discord groups 😂 guys having discord nightmares daily

[Besticus Maximus]

Adderall is a hell of a drug

It makes you so much more productive when conducting e-feuds

[clockwork5]

I sleep easy knowing this shit keeps Dubs up at night lol

[Jansen]

$217m WW for superman. Watching the reees in spin mode for this failboat 

Godspeed James Gunn cuz how do you think Supergirl is going to do

[Jansen]

Holy shit

What are the "conspiracy theories" because I haven't seen anything along those lines in this thread in the last few pages?

I think they're referring to people wondering if Andy Robinson's Bluesky post about Era users misunderstanding his article was the impetus for the ban wave. imo, the timing is so coincidental that it makes sense people would wonder, but it seems like any speculation whatsoever is being painted as conspiracy theories.

I absolutely believe that harassment campaigns against Era have been coordinated through Discord previously. Era's a large forum with a big target on its back because of the ostensibly progressive values, and we've seen with things like Gamergate that people aren't afraid to pull some bullshit. And I'm sure there's been some bullshit with the splinter communities, though from what I've seen over the years on the user end of things, that's much less common. It seems like staff—or just B-Dubs, who knows—is beginning to see any form of talking about Era outside of Era as coordinated harassment campaigns. That any Discord that dares mention Era in a way that's less than positive is a breeding ground for coordinated, targeted movements. I don't blame the team being on high alert (like I said, huge target!), but at some point, you (general you) need to remember that that is not the case. Venting frustrations, talking about actions that have caused controversy, discussing bans, or even just talking about the forum at all are not inherently anti-Era. They're not inherently weaving grand conspiracy theories. Frankly, I think it does a major disservice to Era to slide into that. It comes across as paranoid and white-knuckled. With the pressure the team feels, I'm sure that's legitimately part of it, but that doesn't make it actually true of every form of off-site discussion.

Considering the very real issues that people have brought up with the ticketing system, I can't help but feel like actioning the one relevant ticket and championing it here is anything other than punitive. It comes across defensive, very "see?????? we DO do this!" And one of the biggest problems that people have repeatedly discussed is the continued generalizations about these issues. It's "a week of being insulted in this thread" when the majority of the posts are not doing so. It's "we DO admit we're wrong" while explicit examples of times that wasn't true go unaddressed. It's claiming users are continually brigading when there's a difference between a)coordinated harassment campaigns from off-site and b)multiple members of this forum coming to discuss issues at once. It's "this is a place for good faith discussion" when good faith discussion is blatantly ignored, even misrepresented and actioned.

Look, I like knowing things, including what led to issues like this going down. If that brands me a shit-stirrer that just chimes in to dogpile when I'm not actively involved—like with the DK thread, as I didn't post there or get banned—then I guess I'm a shit-stirrer. I don't post in bad faith. I don't understand doing that, quite honestly. But it seems like unless you're involved in something (not even as a witness, just directly involved), it's considered brigading and litigation and and and and.

But since I do like knowing things, I went through the last 20 or so pages of the thread. Starting with where the VGC DK thread debacle happened, as that's been the crux of this conversation. That's 50 posts per page, starting on page 17, through page 37 as I'm typing this. That makes, what, 19 and a half pages? Almost 1,000 posts? #813 to #1,821. That's 1,008 posts.

Let's take out the staff posts, posts about other topics (ignoring mods, multiple-reply-to-post reminders, external Discord dogpiling against random communities instead of mods), and posts made by members of the staff in general. There were 109 of those.

So now we have the number of posts that are about the DK thread, mod transparency, points going unanswered, etc., anything that's about the discussion at hand.

That's 899 posts. Only counting users that specifically contributed to this conversation (and excluding mods), that amount of posts was spread over 189 users. A few of them only contributed to drive by neg, and I do literally mean a few. That still leaves a good 185ish users that actively participated in the discussion as a discussion. That's definitely a lot of people, so I can see how it would be overwhelming for staff!

I know the staff feels like they're being brigaded, like there are tons of direct insults and conspiracy theories. I was reasonably certain that it was a very, very small minority of the posts in this discussion that would fall into that, and I think knowing that might help the mods realize this has been in good faith.

For conspiracy theories, I counted things like:
"Seems like Andy Robinson's call got through."
"That that was posted and then bans started happening was not a coincidence.
"The statement was to appease the author of the poorly written article, who had the audacity to flame members of the community that didn't understand what he wrote."

I did not count initial speculation; mentions of what it feels like; Ashes of Dreams's last post (because Ashes has proven, over literal years, that they're trying to help improve the forum for both the mod team and the users), or speculation about retaliation (because that is not conspiratorial; it refers to the retaliator's action of retaliating, not organizing to secretly enact a specific outcome).

That's 10 conspiracy posts out of 899.

For insults, I counted direct insults like:
"You can't make this level of ineptitude up xD"
[the cops post]
"Can mods even read?"

To be generous, I also included "An absolute fucking joke, as always," though it was an overall reaction and not specifically aimed at anyone.

I did not count users specifically pointing out other users due to commonality unless it specifically included an insult. (There were only one or two of these.) I also did not count reactions like "lmfao" or "lol"; those are part of the discussion, not insults. I did not count moments when users said it feels like the team has disdain for users, as that's people discussing what things currently feel like to them, not active insults.

I found 20 outright insulting posts out of 899.

For calls to resign or rotate out members, I counted things like:
"After multiple mistakes (including serious ones that a regular member would've been banned for), I'd love to know why B-Dubs is still a moderator for Era."
"This place badly needs a moderator purge."
"The only thing that will move a needle anywhere is MOBA firing the regime because of decreasing ad revenue. That's honestly all that matters to the organization paying the server bills and admins' salaries."

I did not count general mentions of rotating the mod team as a whole to give them time off, as they were not calling for any specific peoples' heads and were very clearly in good faith.

Being generous, I counted 9 posts that called for mods to resign. 9 out of 899.

Out of all the insult, call to resign, and conspiracy theorizing posts, only a few users solely contributed that way. Some users did get to that point after having been in the thread a while. I count 15. Give or take one or two on either side, but that means that out of 186 users discussing this, 8% lost their temper. 92% of the users in this conversation have been level-headed, guys.

Over 899 posts, there were 10 conspiracy posts, 20 active insults, and 9 calls for resignation. That makes 1.1% conspiracies, 2% insults, and 1% calls for resignation. Total it up and only 4% of this discussion has been hostile toward the staff, but the staff messages repeatedly conflate hostility with good faith discussion (and that's before we get to the idea that a hostile tone does not mean that something is inherently untrue).

Look, staff, I don't know how else to get through to the team that people here are trying to actually talk to you. Literally 96% of this discussion has been civil. Sometimes a little heated, clearly passionate, but civil. I counted. This has not been a brigade. This has not been shadowy Discord servers coordinating attacks on ResetEra or on ResetEra staff as a whole. This has been ResetEra users themselves. At least four former staff members, at least three verified industry people, several help desk and community moderation workers past and present, and many, many users that actively use ResetEra to the point that I, as a lurker, recognize their usernames and/or avatars.

I know you probably feel like this has been just a few users pointing pitchforks at you, but that's not true. Take it from someone with anxiety, someone who regularly needs to remind himself of objective truths when he starts to spiral: this discussion has not been to harm you. It has been the community coming together to tell you they're seeing concerning patterns in staff behavior, and doing so because they enjoy their time in this community. Chunks of Era have been driven off before. It doesn't have to happen again. Please, take a breath and internalize: the majority of users here are trying to talk to you and find common ground because they care. Only 4% of posts from this Donkey Kong discussion were hostile. We are not out to get you.

A post like that should get you instantly permabanned

[Besticus Maximus]

Holy shit

I think they're referring to people wondering if Andy Robinson's Bluesky post about Era users misunderstanding his article was the impetus for the ban wave. imo, the timing is so coincidental that it makes sense people would wonder, but it seems like any speculation whatsoever is being painted as conspiracy theories.

I absolutely believe that harassment campaigns against Era have been coordinated through Discord previously. Era's a large forum with a big target on its back because of the ostensibly progressive values, and we've seen with things like Gamergate that people aren't afraid to pull some bullshit. And I'm sure there's been some bullshit with the splinter communities, though from what I've seen over the years on the user end of things, that's much less common. It seems like staff—or just B-Dubs, who knows—is beginning to see any form of talking about Era outside of Era as coordinated harassment campaigns. That any Discord that dares mention Era in a way that's less than positive is a breeding ground for coordinated, targeted movements. I don't blame the team being on high alert (like I said, huge target!), but at some point, you (general you) need to remember that that is not the case. Venting frustrations, talking about actions that have caused controversy, discussing bans, or even just talking about the forum at all are not inherently anti-Era. They're not inherently weaving grand conspiracy theories. Frankly, I think it does a major disservice to Era to slide into that. It comes across as paranoid and white-knuckled. With the pressure the team feels, I'm sure that's legitimately part of it, but that doesn't make it actually true of every form of off-site discussion.

Considering the very real issues that people have brought up with the ticketing system, I can't help but feel like actioning the one relevant ticket and championing it here is anything other than punitive. It comes across defensive, very "see?????? we DO do this!" And one of the biggest problems that people have repeatedly discussed is the continued generalizations about these issues. It's "a week of being insulted in this thread" when the majority of the posts are not doing so. It's "we DO admit we're wrong" while explicit examples of times that wasn't true go unaddressed. It's claiming users are continually brigading when there's a difference between a)coordinated harassment campaigns from off-site and b)multiple members of this forum coming to discuss issues at once. It's "this is a place for good faith discussion" when good faith discussion is blatantly ignored, even misrepresented and actioned.

Look, I like knowing things, including what led to issues like this going down. If that brands me a shit-stirrer that just chimes in to dogpile when I'm not actively involved—like with the DK thread, as I didn't post there or get banned—then I guess I'm a shit-stirrer. I don't post in bad faith. I don't understand doing that, quite honestly. But it seems like unless you're involved in something (not even as a witness, just directly involved), it's considered brigading and litigation and and and and.

But since I do like knowing things, I went through the last 20 or so pages of the thread. Starting with where the VGC DK thread debacle happened, as that's been the crux of this conversation. That's 50 posts per page, starting on page 17, through page 37 as I'm typing this. That makes, what, 19 and a half pages? Almost 1,000 posts? #813 to #1,821. That's 1,008 posts.

Let's take out the staff posts, posts about other topics (ignoring mods, multiple-reply-to-post reminders, external Discord dogpiling against random communities instead of mods), and posts made by members of the staff in general. There were 109 of those.

So now we have the number of posts that are about the DK thread, mod transparency, points going unanswered, etc., anything that's about the discussion at hand.

That's 899 posts. Only counting users that specifically contributed to this conversation (and excluding mods), that amount of posts was spread over 189 users. A few of them only contributed to drive by neg, and I do literally mean a few. That still leaves a good 185ish users that actively participated in the discussion as a discussion. That's definitely a lot of people, so I can see how it would be overwhelming for staff!

I know the staff feels like they're being brigaded, like there are tons of direct insults and conspiracy theories. I was reasonably certain that it was a very, very small minority of the posts in this discussion that would fall into that, and I think knowing that might help the mods realize this has been in good faith.

For conspiracy theories, I counted things like:
"Seems like Andy Robinson's call got through."
"That that was posted and then bans started happening was not a coincidence.
"The statement was to appease the author of the poorly written article, who had the audacity to flame members of the community that didn't understand what he wrote."

I did not count initial speculation; mentions of what it feels like; Ashes of Dreams's last post (because Ashes has proven, over literal years, that they're trying to help improve the forum for both the mod team and the users), or speculation about retaliation (because that is not conspiratorial; it refers to the retaliator's action of retaliating, not organizing to secretly enact a specific outcome).

That's 10 conspiracy posts out of 899.

For insults, I counted direct insults like:
"You can't make this level of ineptitude up xD"
[the cops post]
"Can mods even read?"

To be generous, I also included "An absolute fucking joke, as always," though it was an overall reaction and not specifically aimed at anyone.

I did not count users specifically pointing out other users due to commonality unless it specifically included an insult. (There were only one or two of these.) I also did not count reactions like "lmfao" or "lol"; those are part of the discussion, not insults. I did not count moments when users said it feels like the team has disdain for users, as that's people discussing what things currently feel like to them, not active insults.

I found 20 outright insulting posts out of 899.

For calls to resign or rotate out members, I counted things like:
"After multiple mistakes (including serious ones that a regular member would've been banned for), I'd love to know why B-Dubs is still a moderator for Era."
"This place badly needs a moderator purge."
"The only thing that will move a needle anywhere is MOBA firing the regime because of decreasing ad revenue. That's honestly all that matters to the organization paying the server bills and admins' salaries."

I did not count general mentions of rotating the mod team as a whole to give them time off, as they were not calling for any specific peoples' heads and were very clearly in good faith.

Being generous, I counted 9 posts that called for mods to resign. 9 out of 899.

Out of all the insult, call to resign, and conspiracy theorizing posts, only a few users solely contributed that way. Some users did get to that point after having been in the thread a while. I count 15. Give or take one or two on either side, but that means that out of 186 users discussing this, 8% lost their temper. 92% of the users in this conversation have been level-headed, guys.

Over 899 posts, there were 10 conspiracy posts, 20 active insults, and 9 calls for resignation. That makes 1.1% conspiracies, 2% insults, and 1% calls for resignation. Total it up and only 4% of this discussion has been hostile toward the staff, but the staff messages repeatedly conflate hostility with good faith discussion (and that's before we get to the idea that a hostile tone does not mean that something is inherently untrue).

Look, staff, I don't know how else to get through to the team that people here are trying to actually talk to you. Literally 96% of this discussion has been civil. Sometimes a little heated, clearly passionate, but civil. I counted. This has not been a brigade. This has not been shadowy Discord servers coordinating attacks on ResetEra or on ResetEra staff as a whole. This has been ResetEra users themselves. At least four former staff members, at least three verified industry people, several help desk and community moderation workers past and present, and many, many users that actively use ResetEra to the point that I, as a lurker, recognize their usernames and/or avatars.

I know you probably feel like this has been just a few users pointing pitchforks at you, but that's not true. Take it from someone with anxiety, someone who regularly needs to remind himself of objective truths when he starts to spiral: this discussion has not been to harm you. It has been the community coming together to tell you they're seeing concerning patterns in staff behavior, and doing so because they enjoy their time in this community. Chunks of Era have been driven off before. It doesn't have to happen again. Please, take a breath and internalize: the majority of users here are trying to talk to you and find common ground because they care. Only 4% of posts from this Donkey Kong discussion were hostile. We are not out to get you.

A post like that should get you instantly permabanned

textbook dismissing of concerns

[benji]

As much as I love these guys, their unwillingness to see anything as "political" has made them blind. "People are interpreting this in the political lens they want", ffs, there is strong directorial intent here to have multiple political aspects of this movie. Superman has often been incredibly political. He's always been an immigrant.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/redlettermedia-ot-very-cruel.804/page-345#post-142610025

No, he hasn't.  

"People interpreting this to see what they want" is absolutely true. That's almost always the case. The "strong directorial intent" here is ambiguity with ever so slight lib sensibilities like every movie ever.

Would any of these people say Man of Steel and BvS were "incredibly political" or would they say they "missed the point of the character" despite depicting the US government as hostile to Kryptonian immigration? Based Snyder going anti-Obama for his record setting deportations! Or maybe the character's an alien and you can't get around it without changing his backstory...

"He's always been an immigrant and that's incredibly political!" No, it isn't, you're ignorant and should stop trying to lecture people from it. Anti-immigration against good immigrants is barely a thing in the West, conversely so is open borders. The position of "some immigrants might be good people" is literally what Trump said when he came down the escalator. (And also coincidentally what he said the other day when backing off his harsh policy. Also, he's married to one.) Congrats, your bold political movie is so in the mainstream that it includes the twice elected President of the United States and the pro-genocide opposition party you refuse to support.

Also, Superman is an assimilationist story, something your local leading intellectuals believe to be not just wrong but dangerous to all marginalized people.

[simiansmarts]

Superman is Moses + Heracles, end of story.

[Uncle]

As much as I love these guys, their unwillingness to see anything as "political" has made them blind. "People are interpreting this in the political lens they want", ffs, there is strong directorial intent here to have multiple political aspects of this movie. Superman has often been incredibly political. He's always been an immigrant.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/redlettermedia-ot-very-cruel.804/page-345#post-142610025

No, he hasn't.  

"People interpreting this to see what they want" is absolutely true. That's almost always the case. The "strong directorial intent" here is ambiguity with ever so slight lib sensibilities like every movie ever.

Would any of these people say Man of Steel and BvS were "incredibly political" or would they say they "missed the point of the character" despite depicting the US government as hostile to Kryptonian immigration? Based Snyder going anti-Obama for his record setting deportations! Or maybe the character's an alien and you can't get around it without changing his backstory...

"He's always been an immigrant and that's incredibly political!" No, it isn't, you're ignorant and should stop trying to lecture people from it. Anti-immigration against good immigrants is barely a thing in the West, conversely so is open borders. The position of "some immigrants might be good people" is literally what Trump said when he came down the escalator. (And also coincidentally what he said the other day when backing off his harsh policy. Also, he's married to one.) Congrats, your bold political movie is so in the mainstream that it includes the twice elected President of the United States and the pro-genocide opposition party you refuse to support.

Also, Superman is an assimilationist story, something your local leading intellectuals believe to be not just wrong but dangerous to all marginalized people.

I learned from RLM that apparently in an 80s run, one of the writers was adamant that Superman be all-American so he made sure that he wasn't technically born until the ship opened up to the Kents, thus giving him birthright citizenship

[Jansen]

Superman is Moses + Heracles, end of story.

Moses didn't get to see the promised land chuddy

[Yulwei v2]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/wkd-box-office-%E2%80%A2-07-11-13-25-%E2%80%A2-immigrant-song-superman-123-dom.1242492/page-4#

If Cavill was worth a shit he'd get out here and denounce this bullshit. He knows just as well as we do that Snyders interpretation of Superman was not only wrong, it was creatively bankrupt. We wanted Superman by way of Nolan. Not Superman with Snyders shitting directing.

He's responding to this 

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/wkd-box-office-%E2%80%A2-07-11-13-25-%E2%80%A2-immigrant-song-superman-123-dom.1242492/page-4#

If Cavill was worth a shit he'd get out here and denounce this bullshit. He knows just as well as we do that Snyders interpretation of Superman was not only wrong, it was creatively bankrupt. We wanted Superman by way of Nolan. Not Superman with Snyders shitting directing.

He's responding to this 

2013 vs 2025 cape shit expectations + this is supposed to be the start of the DCU rebirth

[Jansen]

Anyways this wouldn't be happening if people would have got off their asses and seen Superman Returns

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/wkd-box-office-%E2%80%A2-07-11-13-25-%E2%80%A2-immigrant-song-superman-123-dom.1242492/page-4#

If Cavill was worth a shit he'd get out here and denounce this bullshit. He knows just as well as we do that Snyders interpretation of Superman was not only wrong

These dudes are so fucking weird. "The guy who played Superman a decade ago needs to denounce random tweets about the box office or he's not worth shit!"

We wanted Superman by way of Nolan.

That's what you got. Snyder didn't write Man of Steel. (And Nolan supported Snyder when WB dumped him.)

[Yulwei v2]

I really enjoyed Gunn's Superman because I'm a big fan of anything Superman but the conversation around this movie is hilarious. These people got PTSD from getting bullied by Snyder fans back in the DCEU days, lol. They bring it up as much as #######GamerGateNever4get

[simiansmarts]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/wkd-box-office-%E2%80%A2-07-11-13-25-%E2%80%A2-immigrant-song-superman-123-dom.1242492/page-4#

If Cavill was worth a shit he'd get out here and denounce this bullshit. He knows just as well as we do that Snyders interpretation of Superman was not only wrong, it was creatively bankrupt. We wanted Superman by way of Nolan. Not Superman with Snyders shitting directing.

Oh my god these people are so fucking cringe. They're acting like this capeshit movie from twelve years ago is the modern day equivalent of "The Birth of a Nation".

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/wkd-box-office-%E2%80%A2-07-11-13-25-%E2%80%A2-immigrant-song-superman-123-dom.1242492/page-4#

If Cavill was worth a shit he'd get out here and denounce this bullshit. He knows just as well as we do that Snyders interpretation of Superman was not only wrong, it was creatively bankrupt. We wanted Superman by way of Nolan. Not Superman with Snyders shitting directing.

He's responding to this 

"I can't believe someone is shitting on the new Superman, I now demand that Cavill shits on his own movie or else he's a bad guy"

[benji]

I really enjoyed Gunn's Superman because I'm a big fan of anything Superman but the conversation around this movie is hilarious. These people got PTSD from getting bullied by Snyder fans back in the DCEU days, lol. They bring it up as much as #######GamerGateNever4get

Almost all the Snyder accounts are as weird and cringe as they are, they often can't even articulate why they like the Snyder films anymore than these dudes can explain why they prefer MCU/Gunn or whatever. It's hilarious that they think Daddy Cavill saying something would stop it. Snyder himself condemned some of the stuff like harassing reviewers and it didn't do anything.  

I guess this guy is saying that if like Robert Downey Jr. came out and said to vote Trump he'd listen to it.